Joe, the white on your koi looks good so does the sumi. (The photo is not great because its from the flank - it makes it difficult to see the body of the koi).

The pattern on this koi is very well distributed. The colours and skin is good but i am not that sure about the bodyshape.

It feels a little bit stubby, too short or something, its thick towards the front. I have a feeling this koi is going to rugby ball on you but it could be the photo and it is dependent on the kois length. Shiro Utsuri and Showa has a genetic trend to rugby ball at around 55cm and not go grow much length wise. That is why one wants a fairly thin looking shiro when one is buying at 40cm.

Whats up with the one pectoral? Seems like it has been trimmed?

wayneb wrote:

Joe, the white on your koi looks good so does the sumi. (The photo is not great because its from the flank - it makes it difficult to see the body of the koi).

The pattern on this koi is very well distributed. The colours and skin is good but i am not that sure about the bodyshape. What is its length?

It feels a little bit stubby, too short or something, its thick towards the front. I have a feeling this koi is going to rugby ball on you but it could be the photo.

Whats up with the one pectoral? Seems like it has been trimmed?

Wayne, Thank you What is its length? She is 41cm .Whats up with the one pectoral? nothing just the way the photo was taken . the other photo is from when she first arrived not great photo but you can see the pectoral

Joe,
I like your shiro very much. Some time pictures, angle, and water can distort a fish.
For me when evaluating body proportions, and future growth, I look at the following.
The triangle formed between the eyes and the tip of the nose should have equal sides...it is an indication of good potential growth.
Also I look at the head to fit 4.5 times in the body....if those proportions are good, U can expect good large Koi.
Thick tail tube is another good indication to me.
Helicopter tube body is a no no! And yours does not have that!

joe let me just say i've been the lucky one , second to you that has had the honor of working hand s on with this fish with thousands of other fish that have passed thought my hands this is one of the best shiros to do so , may be its the photo which she hates every thing you would want to be inplace for a fantastic fish is there proportions , markings , balance , skin, fins , head pattern , bloodline , body , presence you've got it all ....... and the fish is showing all the above at the correct age . trust me people when i tell you watch this fish in a year or two it will be un stopable at any show imo

Neli,

Thank You so much

Lionel,

Thank you for all the effort you put in just to let you know she is eating very well in the quarantine tank & seems happy

Joe,

Sorry, but I don't like it.....................

Pieter J de Villiers wrote:

Joe,

Sorry, but I don't like it.....................

Why?

Paul,

I am not saying it is not a nice fish. It is only that it does not appeal to me. I must agree with Wayne that it is a bit “short”

Lets not judge a book completely by its cover......Lionel is not the best phtographer as yet....he is however getting there........I have seen the fish and it is a fine example and is definitely not a stumpy fish

Joe if you are two minded now....... I will put it in my pond any day.

If one asks for opinions about a fish, you have to accept that 1) You asked for it 2) The comments might not all be good 3) the evaluation happen from a photo so its not going to be 100% accurate and 4) Its just peoples opinions in the end.

The only opinion that counts in the end is your own.

Totally agree Wayne.

I also agree with Wayne

Everyone has the right to like or dislike a koi like everything else ,at the end of the day its up to me, and I love this koi

Photos do definitely make a difference how the koi looks
The reason why I post photos is to see if I am heading on the right track

Thanks to everyone for your comments

i agree 100% and like the fact that people comment on the fish it make's you look at it from all angles - and no offence taken(keep it up )