What do you think of this Shiro Usturi

Amazing Shiro. Everything you need in a top quality show Shiro, especially the pure white background and great Bodyshape.

Stunning Shiro Joe. I love the body on this one.

Very nice......will do you very proud.

Thanks Guys always great to hear other hobbyist views

Joe
Nice i like
Anver

Joe, here is one of the two shiro's I got from Lionel last year September....must say he does have a good eye for shiro's amongst othe fish!

joe she is some thing special one of the first nisai i have managed to buy from this farmer he normally only sells tosai -and as paul said every thing you want in a shiro all i look forward is to seen her in a year or two when she is completely finished

cliff your one also looks amazing also a few years to finish - was that one of the 13-15cm ?

Cliff wrote:

Joe, here is one of the two shiro's I got from Lionel last year September....must say he does have a good eye for shiro's amongst othe fish!

I agree with you, She is stunning

Hey Lionel, she was one of the 20 - 25's.......if you think she is going to take years to finish then you must see the other one...probably take decades...lol

Sorry to hijack Joe.....all attention now back to Joe's shiro...lol

Hi Joe
Nice body shape! Beautiful fish. Who is the breeder?

Miya Oki Koi wrote:

Hi Joe
Nice body shape! Beautiful fish. Who is the breeder?

Thank You Kaneko

As with most shiro utsuri the pattern on the body is not that great in this fish but it makes up for it by having lots of good quality skin and shiro. I think if it wasn't for the black pectoral fins and that black beauty spot on its right side this fish would have felt very unbalanced due to the one sided pattern on its body. (My avatar has a similar pattern problem)

A very good fish which will command even more presence at bigger sizes.

I would like to see it when the sumi has finished more which i guess is in a year or two.

Is that a inflamed scale towards the back on the right? It looks reddish.

wayneb wrote:

As with most shiro utsuri the pattern on the body is not that great in this fish but it makes up for it by having lots of good quality skin and shiro. I think if it wasn't for the black pectoral fins and that black beauty spot on its right side this fish would have felt very unbalanced due to the one sided pattern on its body. (My avatar has a similar pattern problem)

A very good fish which will command even more presence at bigger sizes.

I would like to see it when the sumi has finished more which i guess is in a year or two.

Hi Wayne

I think you have commented on Cliff Shiro,can you comment on mine (at the top of this post)

Thanks

No problem, i added the photo of the koi i was talking about to the previous post.

Joe, the white on your koi looks good so does the sumi. (The photo is not great because its from the flank - it makes it difficult to see the body of the koi).

The pattern on this koi is very well distributed. The colours and skin is good but i am not that sure about the bodyshape.

It feels a little bit stubby, too short or something, its thick towards the front. I have a feeling this koi is going to rugby ball on you but it could be the photo and it is dependent on the kois length. Shiro Utsuri and Showa has a genetic trend to rugby ball at around 55cm and not go grow much length wise. That is why one wants a fairly thin looking shiro when one is buying at 40cm.

Whats up with the one pectoral? Seems like it has been trimmed?

wayneb wrote:

Joe, the white on your koi looks good so does the sumi. (The photo is not great because its from the flank - it makes it difficult to see the body of the koi).

The pattern on this koi is very well distributed. The colours and skin is good but i am not that sure about the bodyshape. What is its length?

It feels a little bit stubby, too short or something, its thick towards the front. I have a feeling this koi is going to rugby ball on you but it could be the photo.

Whats up with the one pectoral? Seems like it has been trimmed?

Wayne, Thank you What is its length? She is 41cm .Whats up with the one pectoral? nothing just the way the photo was taken . the other photo is from when she first arrived not great photo but you can see the pectoral

Joe,
I like your shiro very much. Some time pictures, angle, and water can distort a fish.
For me when evaluating body proportions, and future growth, I look at the following.
The triangle formed between the eyes and the tip of the nose should have equal sides...it is an indication of good potential growth.
Also I look at the head to fit 4.5 times in the body....if those proportions are good, U can expect good large Koi.
Thick tail tube is another good indication to me.
Helicopter tube body is a no no! And yours does not have that!

joe let me just say i've been the lucky one , second to you that has had the honor of working hand s on with this fish with thousands of other fish that have passed thought my hands this is one of the best shiros to do so , may be its the photo which she hates every thing you would want to be inplace for a fantastic fish is there proportions , markings , balance , skin, fins , head pattern , bloodline , body , presence you've got it all ....... and the fish is showing all the above at the correct age . trust me people when i tell you watch this fish in a year or two it will be un stopable at any show imo

Neli,

Thank You so much

Lionel,

Thank you for all the effort you put in just to let you know she is eating very well in the quarantine tank & seems happy

Joe,

Sorry, but I don't like it.....................

Pieter J de Villiers wrote:

Joe,

Sorry, but I don't like it.....................

Why?

Paul,

I am not saying it is not a nice fish. It is only that it does not appeal to me. I must agree with Wayne that it is a bit “short”

Lets not judge a book completely by its cover......Lionel is not the best phtographer as yet....he is however getting there........I have seen the fish and it is a fine example and is definitely not a stumpy fish

Joe if you are two minded now....... I will put it in my pond any day.