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sas
Posts : 406 Reputation : 8 Join date : 2007-08-01
| Subject: Sumi Ogon Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:42 am | |
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Admin Admin
Posts : 2330 Reputation : 46 Join date : 2007-07-25 Age : 62 Location : Cape Town
| Subject: Re: Sumi Ogon Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:12 pm | |
| I have never heard of a "Sumi Ogon". It looks almost like a chagoi and with the black outlines on the scales, it can go through as a Matsuba Ogon? |
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wayneb Admin
Posts : 1681 Reputation : 29 Join date : 2007-12-08 Age : 46 Location : Kraai Fontein, Cape Town Metropol
| Subject: Re: Sumi Ogon Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:24 pm | |
| I have also never heard of a sumi ogon...just magoi's which are pure black sometimes copper looking carp.
From the name i would think that it would be a black koi. As sumi means black and ogon means single colour...if memory serves.
But OK if that is a new variety then let it be - but i won't buy that. I really looks like a chagoi of some sort.
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Platinum
Posts : 1 Reputation : 0 Join date : 2008-02-15
| Subject: Re: Sumi Ogon Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:34 pm | |
| I think it is a Matsuba Ogon. The fish is not black. It only has black outlines on the scales like a Matsuba. |
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sas
Posts : 406 Reputation : 8 Join date : 2007-08-01
| Subject: RE: Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:32 pm | |
| It's a very rare and new variety.
"Sumi Ogon" maybe is not the real name in English, cause i translate it straight from Japanese.
By the way, this koi is going for R 50000-00 in Japan. |
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wayneb Admin
Posts : 1681 Reputation : 29 Join date : 2007-12-08 Age : 46 Location : Kraai Fontein, Cape Town Metropol
| Subject: Re: Sumi Ogon Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:31 pm | |
| - sas wrote:
- It's a very rare and new variety.
"Sumi Ogon" maybe is not the real name in English, cause i translate it straight from Japanese.
By the way, this koi is going for R 50000-00 in Japan. Koi names are Japanese....not english. I am no expert on the Japanese lanuage but lets see what i can do... I used the following site to help with the pronunciation and definitions of Japanese words. http://www.geocities.com/koifla/Pronunci.htm SUMI : Black or a black pattern CHA : Brown OGON : A single-colored metallic Koi. MATSUBA : A gray or black marking on the middle part of the scales that give the impression of a "pine cone" pattern. This koi above is propably a Matsuba of some kind. If i had to make a name for it i would call it a Cha-Matsuba but Sumi-Ogon could be right aswell as SUMI apparently can also refer to a black pattern. So...a single coloured koi with a black pattern...but i must say that it is rather confusing as that name (Sumi Ogon) does not state what the underlying colour is. So it could be a white koi with a black pattern aswell...actually it could refer too any matsuba then. Now coming back to the koi it self. I would never pay that amount as it is not very appealing and for R 50 000 i could buy a stunning GO-Sanke of very high quality measureing around 50cm+. |
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sas
Posts : 406 Reputation : 8 Join date : 2007-08-01
| Subject: RE: Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:31 pm | |
| I agree with you that "Sumi Ogon" is a bit confusing, but "Cha-Matsuba" sounds better.
You can buy a top quality 2 year old (+-45cm) Go-sanke for R5000-00 in Japan.
So, with R50000-00 i would rather buy 10 top quality Go-sanke rather than one Ogon. |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Sumi Ogon Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:10 am | |
| Hi,
I do not class this Koi under "Matsuba-goi."
“ Matsuba is the dorsal pattern of the Asagi." This Koi comes from the Asagi line, being produced early in history. In Matsuba the scales are black.
This to me is a Matsuba Ogon, bred from Matsuba and Ogon. The term Ogon in a combination of both “ Golden” and “Silver”. The first Matsuba Ogon was produced in 1960 by Eizaburo Mano. A brownish golden color Ogon. Takeo Kuroki mentions in his book Modern Nishikigoi the following Koi: A brownish-gold Matsuba Ogon. Called a Kinporai.
I would call the Koi a Bronze Ogon, just a thought!
Pieter http://southafricankoi.11.forumer.com |
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Jaco
Posts : 700 Reputation : 5 Join date : 2008-02-16 Age : 58 Location : Odendaalsrus Freestate
| Subject: Re: Sumi Ogon Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:20 pm | |
| Hi Everyone, I have a Doitsu one of about 90cm. I am prepared to take R40000.00 |
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sas
Posts : 406 Reputation : 8 Join date : 2007-08-01
| Subject: RE: Sat Feb 16, 2008 5:40 pm | |
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Admin Admin
Posts : 2330 Reputation : 46 Join date : 2007-07-25 Age : 62 Location : Cape Town
| Subject: Re: Sumi Ogon Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:19 pm | |
| Jaco, pragtige vis en nice foto. |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Sumi Ogon Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:27 pm | |
| Don’t Laugh, I know that Monster, it’s so bloody big; Jaco may easy score that money from a Fresh Fish Dealer!!! Pieter http://southafricankoi.11.forumer.com |
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Jaco
Posts : 700 Reputation : 5 Join date : 2008-02-16 Age : 58 Location : Odendaalsrus Freestate
| Subject: Re: Sumi Ogon Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:12 am | |
| Thanks for the nice comments. My eldest koi is about ten years old now. I have only been in the hobby for 8 years now. |
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