Hi all

Has anyone spawned a doitsu with a traditional koi before? What would the result be with the fry?

I haven't done this but was just wondering what the outcome would be....

Hi Chris, what is traditional koi?

Sorry... In the text that I'm using it I'm referring to SCALED KOI ie. WAGOI.

See Collin's remark on a different thread where he feels that it creates difficulty in culling.

Collin wrote:

During first culling it is going to be very difficult to see the rogue scales that are neither doitsu nor wagoi.

I have done this and only got Wagoi. Maybe the doitsu male was infertile.

See https://koionline.forumotion.com/general-f30/my-yamabuki-x-purachina-spawning-2009-t1060.htm

Would just have been interesting to see what the outcome would be. Thought some might have done this before. Obviously Collin can say what to expect.

From a experimental view it will be interesting but not when the end goal is to sell them.

From a customers pont of view (me). Mixing diffirent types of metalics or scaled and doitsu during a spawning is a no no. What would i then be buying? a Platinum that turns Hariwaki in 2 years? This just messes the whole koi collection (bloodline) up for the more serious koi keeper.

I bought some stunning platinum koi from Quality koi just to have then turn hariwake 6 months later. I bought a light yellow yumabuki from cape koi, the fish also come from Quality koi. Its now 3 months later and this yumabuki is starting to show white scales down the sides. I accpt they where not very expensive but that is not the point. I expect to have a risk with showa and kohaku loosing red but not with stable variaties like metalic ogons.

I have heard the argument that mixing the types is commercially better for the breeder as it gives yumabuki, hariwaki and platinum. Well from me the customers point of view it is now a risk for me to buy those types coming from that farm as the breeder is messing it all up.

The Japanese spend hundreds of years getting the diffirent varieties...lets try and keep it like that.

Was just wondering as an experiment, not to sell. I was mainly thinking of wagoi kohaku & doitsu kohaku.

Chris,

These two came from a wagoi male and Doitsu female.

Interesting Jaco... Did you get mostly doitsu from that spawning then?

No, about 50/50

Culling would definately be the problem, you would not know what to look for. Maybe speak to Mark Gardener=Niigata Nishikigoi, he often goes past Aoki and see if he can get Aoki to answer any of you questions (Mark is in Malaysia for the show, and won't be Japan for a week or two). If you are going to breed, please post pictures I would like to see any offspring. And you would most likely have to cull at a much later age than usaul.

Regards, David

That is now a genuine "Vrystaat" Vis

Natuurlik, het jy al gesien hoe lelik is 'n blou koi ?

Culling was not a problem.