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PostSubject: SANKE   SANKE Icon_minitimeMon Dec 07, 2009 3:00 pm

Hi to all
can you tell me if this koi is sanke and if it is good or bad.
ANY COMMENTS.
SHE IS ABOUT 500 mm AND +- 5 YEARS OLD

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PostSubject: sanke ?   SANKE Icon_minitimeMon Dec 07, 2009 3:07 pm

HI Well it is a sanke but not for long,the hi (red) will probaly fade away and then you will be left with a reasonable BEKKO.
Body shape is fairly good.

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PostSubject: Re: SANKE   SANKE Icon_minitimeMon Dec 07, 2009 3:25 pm

THANKS ANVER FOR THE REPLY
THE SANKE IS ABOUT 5 YEARS OLD IF THE HI (RED / ORANGE) FADES HOW LONG WILL THIS TAKE. ?
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PostSubject: Re: SANKE   SANKE Icon_minitimeMon Dec 07, 2009 3:27 pm

Hi,

Yes, it is a Sanke.
A very poor Sanke, the shoulder area is to white, and on the photo it looks like there is no more Sumi to come.
I think the Hi will stay, but if it will lose the Hi, it will be a poor Bekko as well.
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PostSubject: Re: SANKE   SANKE Icon_minitimeMon Dec 07, 2009 8:26 pm

I Agree with Pieter affraid tongue , I dont think the hi will be fading much more than what it already has.

I see some pink infront of the dorsal fin and on the nose of the koi. That is either hi that is still going or it indicates bad quality skin.

The body shape is actually pretty good and i also think that more sumi will be appearing.

You can try and breed with it and hope that the mating helps the koi to loose more hi.
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PostSubject: Re: SANKE   SANKE Icon_minitimeMon Dec 07, 2009 9:28 pm

Welcome back from your hibernation into the world of KOI Wayne B jocolor
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PostSubject: Re: SANKE   SANKE Icon_minitimeTue Dec 08, 2009 10:30 am

ANOTHER SANKE STILL SMALL ABOUT 250 mm AND 1 YEAR OLD
ANY COMMENTS PLEASE.
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PostSubject: Re: SANKE   SANKE Icon_minitimeTue Dec 08, 2009 11:02 am

You need to pick sankes with more hi.

A sanke must have the 3 colour in harmony. That means red,white and black must be spaced evently and equallity over the body of the koi.

Some guidlines on how to pick a sanke:
1. The koi must have a snow white nose.
2. Judges preferer to have the first sumi (black marking) on the shoulder of the koi preverably on a white background.
3. It is also prefered to have some tajima (stripes) on the pectoral fins of the sanke.
4. The black sumi markings must look like small stepping stones across a river. 1 here and 1 there. But the sum markings are down to personal taste in the end. I prefer small markings.

There are more things to look for but those are the basics.

The Japanese view the body of the koi as a canvas like that of a painting. The colours of the koi must form a beautifull picture with all the colours in harmony. The one must not dominate the other.

Heres an example of a good sanke.
SANKE 37_kanayama

This one is good aswell but its obvious that this photo has been doctered.
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PostSubject: Re: SANKE   SANKE Icon_minitimeTue Dec 08, 2009 1:35 pm

Thanks for the photos wayneb maybe one day i can have a sanke like one of them. Where can i look to buy a good quality smallish sanke.
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PostSubject: Re: SANKE   SANKE Icon_minitimeTue Dec 08, 2009 2:04 pm

Hi David. To be honest, Sankes are propably the most difficult to get a proper example of in South Africa and i dont own one. Uncle Bobby has a nice specimen.

They are actually the most difficult koi to breed as far a i understand.

And if you find a proper example it would propably cost a arm, a leg and 2 kidneys. You can often find Aka Sankes but real Sankes are hard to come by.

Heres an example of a Aka Sanke of mine that took 1st in George this year. Its unfortuantly no longer with us. It was a 2 year old Yamazaki Sanke and was 59cm

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PostSubject: Re: SANKE   SANKE Icon_minitimeTue Dec 08, 2009 2:30 pm

Hi wayneb
I will be on leave on friday for 4 weeks and i will have a lot of time to look around for one or two sanke's
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PostSubject: Re: SANKE   SANKE Icon_minitimeWed Dec 09, 2009 11:12 am

Hi all
How about this one
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PostSubject: Re: SANKE   SANKE Icon_minitimeWed Dec 09, 2009 12:08 pm

David,

I like it!
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PostSubject: Re: SANKE   SANKE Icon_minitimeWed Dec 09, 2009 3:16 pm

Let's see who gets to Orient first!
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PostSubject: Re: SANKE   SANKE Icon_minitimeWed Dec 09, 2009 3:25 pm

http://www.orientkoi.com/sales.htm

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PostSubject: Re: SANKE   SANKE Icon_minitimeThu Dec 10, 2009 8:55 am

Well done. Very nice!
Did you get anything else from them?
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PostSubject: Re: SANKE   SANKE Icon_minitimeMon Dec 14, 2009 1:47 pm

YES A KOHAKU
AT ORIENT KOI FARM COLLIN & LEE-ANN THANKS
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PostSubject: Re: SANKE   SANKE Icon_minitimeMon Dec 14, 2009 1:58 pm

Very nice!
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PostSubject: Re: SANKE   SANKE Icon_minitimeMon Dec 14, 2009 7:47 pm

Hi David

It is only our pleasure!
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PostSubject: Re: SANKE   SANKE Icon_minitimeFri Jan 08, 2010 7:26 am

Why do the colours fade with time. Anver, I think you said that Koi is a reasonable Sanke but that the colour wil fade?
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PostSubject: Re: SANKE   SANKE Icon_minitimeFri Jan 08, 2010 8:24 am

CronjeL wrote:
Why do the colours fade with time.

Poor water quality, hard water, stress, not a thick layer of hi(red) or in general poor bloodline.

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PostSubject: Green in Koi?   SANKE Icon_minitimeFri Jan 08, 2010 2:52 pm

Thanks for answering my previous question. I have a number of young Koi with dark green-khaki sides and silver spines. I suppose the green will become some other colour as they grow - they are about 10cm long at the moment - because I dont seem to find pictures of Koi with green in anywhere one the web. Blasting you with questions because I'm completely new to this.
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PostSubject: Re: SANKE   SANKE Icon_minitimeFri Jan 08, 2010 3:02 pm

Sounds like a Midorigoi, maybe even a Chagoi cross?

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When Chagoi are small, they sometimes appear green, but turns brown later.

Please post photos.

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PostSubject: Re: SANKE   SANKE Icon_minitimeFri Jan 08, 2010 3:52 pm

Hi,

The photo in the previous post is not a Midorigoi!

The fish in the photo is a Ki Shusui!

This is a Doitsu Midorigoi:


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This is Wagoi Midorigoi:

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