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PostSubject: Sanke   Tue Nov 09, 2010 3:44 pm

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I am new in the koi hobby. what do you think of my Sanke. It is 32cm. I hope it is a SHE.
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PostSubject: Re: Sanke   Tue Nov 09, 2010 4:21 pm

Hi,

Think its male, cos at 32cm it should be pretty bulky, the hi on the sanke are also very rich which says male to me as well. However the pectorals look like they could be female.....oh the joys of koi keeping.

Otherwise very nice deep hi, the patter is also very nice, like the placement of the sumi, very nicely balanced and doesn't appear like it will get to heavy, if thesumi stays pretty much as is now I would be very happy. Going to have a very nice and clean head. Also nice clean pecs and dorsal. Tailtub needs abit of bulking up tho.

I think this will turn out to be a very nice sanke, I definitely wouldn't mind owning such a sanke.......where is it from, any breeder details you can share with us?

I'm guessing Ogata from Dream Koi??
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PostSubject: Re: Sanke   Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:42 am

Hi Cliff

Thank you for your comments, i really would like to know what is wrong with this fish, for the future.

Yes it is from Ogata, Dream koi.
If you say the red is very rich, do you mean the red is a bit too bright?
The tailtub , i can do nothing with, or can i do something?(like some food)?
I hope it is a female, they do have better body shape?

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PostSubject: Re: Sanke   Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:05 am

When I say rich, I mean it looks nice and red and not too orange (beni)...redder the better....... also deep looks like the colour is thick, so wont fade too easily.

Tailtube you can thicken up by having a nice current in your pond, something they can swim against so that it strengthens the tailtube.

Females do have better body shape, however it's not the be all and end all.........males have won GC's and SGC's as well.

I've also only been in the hobby for about 1 and a half years seriously now, best hobby in the world!

My lknowledge is also limited, but can tell you that it has improved alot from when I started, you will also see. When I first came on here I thought I would never know what this is and what that is...too many japanese words I thought I would never understand....... however you just pick it up as you go along........quite awesome.

For someone new to the hobby you have an awesome fish to start off with!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Sanke   Wed Nov 10, 2010 9:09 am

Thanx Cliff

I am in this hobby for 2 years now, and enjoy it more the more I learn from you guys.
I am on this website nearly everyday.
I have 13 000l pond with 8 koi in it.
i started off with cheap fish and replacing them with better once if needed.

Thanx Karel
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PostSubject: Re: Sanke   Wed Nov 10, 2010 2:58 pm

Karel,
Daai Sanke is beslis 'n mannetjie.
Maar behoort nog mooi te wees as hy groot word.
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PostSubject: Re: Sanke   Wed Nov 10, 2010 4:44 pm

Hi,

Ek dink ook dis 'n mannetjie, maar ek dink hy gaan sy rooi (Hi) verloor soos wat hy groter word.................kom ons hoop ek is verkeerd!
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PostSubject: Re: Sanke   Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:34 am

Hi Jaco en Pieter

Dankie vir julle advies. Hoekom se julle dit is n mannetjie (gee die vinne dit weg, nie groot of rond genoeg nie, of body shape)?
Pieter - Gaan die Sumi die Hi oorneem?

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PostSubject: Re: Sanke   Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:57 am

Karel,

Kyk, kom ons wees eerlik, om 'n Koi op 'n foto te beoordeel is amper ontmoontlik.

Maar daar is 'n paar tekens wat ons 'n aanleiding kan gee dat dit 'n mannetjie is;
Die helder kleure op 'n jong ouderdom
Die "maer" lyf
Die kleinerige en gepunte "pectorial fins"

Die beste manier is om na die "anal" opening te kyk; die wyfie het 'n "lyn" wat loop van kop-na-stert, met 'n verdere "lyn" wat dwars loop aan die stertkant van die opening. Die opening is effens opgehewe.
Die mannetjie het net 'n reguit "lyn" wat loop van kop-na-stert.
Dit is egter nog moontlik om 'n fout te maak!
Koi in Suid Afrika kuit (spawn) gewoonlik in die maande wart met "R" eindig, en gedurende die tyd, as die mannetjie gereed is, kan hy op die onder kant van sy kop, kiewe en "pec fins" 'n "skuur-papier" gevoel he as jy daar aanraak.

As 'n Koi deur ander Koi gejaag word, kan jy seker wees die wat die jaag werk doen is mannetjies.

Wat die rooi betref, kry ek net die gevoel dat jy gaan op eindig met 'n Bekko.
Ek het in die verlede twee visse met dieselfde tipe rooi gehad, en by ongeveer 55cm was hulle altwee (mannetjies) Bekko.
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PostSubject: Re: Sanke   Fri Nov 12, 2010 9:02 am

Dankie Pieter

Ek sal hom vang en aan se lyf en vinne voel vir die skuur papier vel.
Ek sal jou laat weet of hy verander na n Bekko, hoop nie so nie.

Dankie Karel
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PostSubject: Re: Sanke   Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:53 pm

Hi Pieter en Jaco

Jamie van Koi Jungle het my gewys hoe om die vinne te toets en hoe om die sperm te sien.
Ek kon niks voel of sien by die Sanke nie, maar was baie teleur gesteld in my Gin Showa.
Ek kon duidelik die vinne voel en die sperm sien, maar nou weet ek hoekom hy nie soos die ander wou groei nie.
Miskien moet ek net die Sanke meer kos gee sodat sy groter lyf kan kry.

Wat dink julle van hierdie Gin Showa? Hy is 32cm en omtrent 2 jaar oud.


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PostSubject: Re: Sanke   Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:00 pm

Sorry guys

I dont think the picture came with.

What do you think of this 32 cm Gin Showa?

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PostSubject: Re: Sanke   Sun Nov 14, 2010 9:51 pm

Well this is what I think and trust me I'm by far no expert. I think that sanke is going to become a Showa I can see underlining black on the head. I also think it will loose some of the red but hope not. And yes it is shaped like a male at the moment maybe it has been under fed how long have you had it?
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PostSubject: Re: Sanke   Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:28 am

Hi Angryant

I know the Gin is a Showa(the bottom photo), but i hope you are not saying that the first photo is going to turn out a Showa.
It is bad enough that it might be a female or change into a Bekko.
Both of them is about 2 years old and 32-35 cm.

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PostSubject: Re: Sanke   Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:32 am

The first pic is a sanke....no chance that will turn out to be a showa.

Still think it will be a very nice sanke, think the hi just looks the way is does due to probably a spurt in growth.

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PostSubject: Re: Sanke   Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:50 am

Karel,

Ek hou van die GinRin Showa.

Wat die Sanke betref, ek hou daarby dat ek dink dit is 'n mannetjie, mannetjies wys nie altyd sperm nie. Soos ek gese het die mannetjie moet gereed wees om te "paar" voordat die tekens daar is.
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PostSubject: Re: Sanke   Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:56 am

dutchman wrote:
Hi Angryant

I know the Gin is a Showa(the bottom photo), but i hope you are not saying that the first photo is going to turn out a Showa.
It is bad enough that it might be a female or change into a Bekko.
Both of them is about 2 years old and 32-35 cm.

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Karel

Hi there Karel yes it is the first sanke i think might turn into a showa it might just be the photo but if you look at the head were the red makes a little v there is a spot of under lying black also under the read it looks like it but could just be my eyes.

I also like the showa you posted second.
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PostSubject: Re: Sanke   Mon Nov 15, 2010 1:43 pm

Thanx Guys

Just a pitty they are both male then.
Then it could be that all my fish are male.
Please dont tell me this Kohaku is also male.

SHE is also about 35cm and 1,5 years old.
What do you think of HER?


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PostSubject: Re: Sanke   Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:16 pm

wow......she\he is purdy!!!

Very nice kohaku, has a little hi in the dorsal which isn't tooo bad. Was thinking the hi spots would be a problem, but when you look long enough they seem to balance the fish out nicely, would have done with out the hi spots by the tail tho.

Think it has a splendid pattern, love the face. Shiro looks nice and clean.

Lovely kohaku....ps...think this one is female....lets hope
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PostSubject: Re: Sanke   Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:23 pm

Karel,

Wat voer jy jou Koi?
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PostSubject: Re: Sanke   Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:33 pm

Hi Cliff

Thank you Cliff, i also think SHE is quite nice, i would not mind if all the small Hi spots dissapear.

I really hope it is a SHE.

Hi Pieter, hoekom, dink jy ek voer hulle nie genoeg nie?
Miskien moet ek my Ogon en Chagoi vas maak as ek kos gee.
Hierdie twee het van 15cm tot 55cm in 13 maande gegroei.
Ek gebruik ingevoerde drywende kos van Dream Koi.

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PostSubject: Re: Sanke   Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:03 pm

Karel,

Probeer Shogun vir 'n maand of twee en kyk wat gebeur.
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PostSubject: Re: Sanke   Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:53 pm

Hello Karel

Vanaf Dream Koi is dit die Sakai Hikari floating pallets ... goeie kos. Shogun ... ook goeie kos.
Bo 21 grade water temp. probeer so 1 tot 1.5 percent van koi body-weight per dag voer.
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PostSubject: Re: Sanke   Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:05 pm

Hi Bobby en Pieter

Dankie vir julle advies en raad, ek leer baie by julle manne.
Ek doen hierdie stokperdjie nou omtrent 2 jaar en meer ek leer, hoe meer geniet ek dit.
Die kos is wel Sakai pellets, ek moet se ek het die Kohaku en Sanke eers nou 3 maande in my dam.
Ek het hierdie twee by Karl gekoop na ons skou, so ek gaan nog hierdie kos probeer tot na Kersfees.
As daar dan nog nie n verskil is nie sal ek verander na Shogan pellets.
Ek het verlede jaar by die skou hierdie 4 visse gekoop by Penrith Koi Farm en hulle was 15cm.
My Ogon is 58cm, Benigoi is 50cm, Tancho Kujaku is 42cm en GinRin Showa 35cm(mannetjie).

Kan julle dalk vir my kometaar gee oor hierdie visse van my ook?


Hierdie Doitsu Showa is my eerste babatjie en ek sal haar nooit laat gaan nie.(55cm)


Hierdie Ogon vreet al die ander se kos dink ek nou.(58cm)


Benigoi nie so goed nie, bietjie vet pens.(50cm)


Ek dink die is n Tancho Kujaku.(42cm)



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PostSubject: Re: Sanke   Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:51 pm

Hi Karel

Three very nice fish, The doits is exceptional I like it very much,.

The Bennigoi is baie mooi niks fout nie, jy moet haar net laat spawn man. Bietjie wit in die pecs maar mooi vis vir my.

Jou ogon het baie mooi "fukarin" (hoop maar ek se dit reg)

en dan hou ek ook baie van die Tancho Kujaco mooi vis. wens hulle was in my dam.

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