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PostSubject: Koi Medic Kit   Koi Medic Kit Icon_minitimeMon Jun 23, 2008 11:46 am

I am planning to market a Medic kit for Koi keepers and currently my kit contains the following:


1 Potassium Permanganate Wide spectrum treatment for parasites, bacterial infection and disinfection
2 Virkon S Strerilizing ponds, filter or equipment, kill bacteria, fungus, viruses
3 Malachite Green Parasite, bacterial and fungus treatment
4 Methaline Blue Parasite treatment
5 Dipterex Treatment for Anchor worm, Leeches, Fish lice
6 Acraflavine Anti bacterial treatment
7 Seponver Plus Treatment for fluke
8 Hydrogen peroxide Disinfecting wounds and to stop active ingredient of Potassium
9 Frairs Balsem Wound sealer
10 Clove oil To anaesthetise koi for treatment or to euthanase koi
11 Syringa To inject anti-biotics
12 Ear Buds To treat wounds or take swobs
13 Cotton wool To treat wounds
14 Measuring spoon To measure quantities of medication
15 Measuring container - Plastic bottle 100 ml To measure between 1 - 10 ml
16 Brush To apply medication/sterilizing agent to wounds
17 Tweezer To remove anchor worm or treat wounds
18 Blade To treat wounds
19 Surgical gloves To protect hands from medication and to prevent infection
20 Small Waterproof Plastic bags To inject koi or dispose of dead koi or to transport koi
21 Large plastic bag To transport koi from net to working surface and sheet to work on
22 Full manual for treatments All dosages and full health care manual

Anti biotics should also be part of the kit, but I may not dispense it.

What would you add / leave out?

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PostSubject: Re: Koi Medic Kit   Koi Medic Kit Icon_minitimeMon Jun 23, 2008 1:48 pm

What about Praziquantel and scissors maybe?
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PostSubject: Re: Koi Medic Kit   Koi Medic Kit Icon_minitimeMon Jun 23, 2008 2:02 pm

Thanks for the reply. I did consider Prazi but could not find any yet. I know they market it also as Ecotel in South Africa but my supplier can not help me at this stage. Should I find, I will add that thank you.

Scissors is a very good idea. I often have to cut skin away or trim fins with finrot etc.

I also considered Sodium Thiosulphate (Thiobarb) to remove chlorine, (although not strictly speaking a medical kit component) but I can also not find any in South Africa. Apparently there is a world wide shortage. Any suggestions as a cheap alternative to remove chlorine?

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PostSubject: Re: Koi Medic Kit   Koi Medic Kit Icon_minitimeMon Jun 23, 2008 2:35 pm

MICROSCOPE !!
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PostSubject: Re: Koi Medic Kit   Koi Medic Kit Icon_minitimeMon Jun 23, 2008 2:54 pm

1) A legal disclaimer in the event that someone overdoses his/her fish collection and kills them. Also a legal disclaimer that you are not responsible for any mishandling of any of the substances in the kit. e.g. if someone gets some of these chemicals on his hands or in his eyes. A dsiclaimer should the koi keepers pets eat or drink some of the chemicals in the kit.

2) Detailed instructions with precautionary notes.

3) A diagnostic table. (Although if you think about it if you treat with some of the good anti fluke medications and malachite green you will get rid of most of the parasites found on koi).

4) Tables that koi keepers can calculate the dosage rate for the pond volume.

5) Perhaps a medical sheet koi keepers must fill in for themselves. Containing information such as pond volume - not an estimate but actual volume (you will be surprised how many koi keepers do not know their pond volumes or have calculated the pond volume incorrectly.) What treatments were done and when the y were done. Water temperature when treatments are done. Symptoms leading to diagnosis which in turn has led to the treatment.

6) Try to obtain some scales for weighing very small quantities. How will koi keepers weigh powder if it is sold in bulk?

7) I will make some enquiries for Sodium Thiosulphate for you - please send me an email with a list of the suppliers you have already tried.

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PostSubject: Re: Koi Medic Kit   Koi Medic Kit Icon_minitimeMon Jun 23, 2008 2:57 pm

more ideas

Use by date on chemicals

Check on legal aspects of the sale of syringes directly to the public.

Not everyone is capable of injection fish - tricky area this. Check legal aspects.

Anit biotics cannot be sold directly to the public with out a perscription.

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PostSubject: Re: Koi Medic Kit   Koi Medic Kit Icon_minitimeMon Jun 23, 2008 3:47 pm

Thanks Pieter / Chris

I was thinking of selling the microscopes separately but maybe I should have the option to include it in the kit for those who don't have one yet. I believe no koi keeper can properly keep koi without one.

I will definitely have a proper legal disclaimer being an attorney myself. The charts and tables are a very good idea and your post referring to temperatures reminded me of a thermometer as temperature of water often influences the required treatment.

I could not find any regulation prohibiting me to sell syringes. They are available by mail order online all over and pharmacies do sell it without any prescription.

It is a pitty that I may not sell anti-biotics. I get for instance Baytril directly from the supplier at a fraction of what a Vet will charge me.

Thanks for the offer re Thiobarb. One of my friends supply medicine to the Vet's and Co-ops country wide and he could not find. I will enquire where he searched on my behalf, but he has most of the suppliers on his system.

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PostSubject: Photo-guide   Koi Medic Kit Icon_minitimeMon Jun 23, 2008 3:49 pm

Hi

Don't know if this is what you mean with the full manual for treatments, but a step by step photo-guide of how to inject and/or treat wounds.

I remember so well how I stressed the first time I had to treat a fish. Didn't know how to go about it - on towel or not, to wet towel or not, apply medication with finger or not, etc. Sounds silly now, but then it wasn't.

And without a doubt (as mentioned earlier) - sell by and use by dates with the legal disclaimers.
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PostSubject: Re: Koi Medic Kit   Koi Medic Kit Icon_minitimeMon Jun 23, 2008 8:33 pm

More ideas -

Some years ago I saw a microscope in the UK which looked like a portable CD player. Small and round. You flipped the front open and placed the slide with the scraping into a slot. After closing the lid you turned it on and looked through the microscope like a pair of binoculars.

It was very simple, had one magnification only to see parasites, was portable and worked on batteries.

Perhaps koi keepers need something like this instead of sophisticated and expensive microscopes.

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PostSubject: Field or Portable Microscopes   Koi Medic Kit Icon_minitimeMon Jun 23, 2008 9:03 pm

some examples of field microscopes

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and a really cool field microscope with a LCD diplay - not sure of the magnification ..

Koi Medic Kit Microscope2

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PostSubject: Re: Koi Medic Kit   Koi Medic Kit Icon_minitimeMon Jul 07, 2008 3:20 pm

My first 30 Medic kits are almost done.

Koi Medic Kit Medickit
(not complete yet)

Already sold three over the weekend before it is complete.

I have added the following to my list.

1. Wound med (own formula)
2. Malachite Green & Formalin mix
3. Adjustable measuring spoon
4. Small tape measure to measure "patient" - to calculate dosage of injectable medication and for record purpose while the fish is available for measuring anyway
5. Notebook & pen
6. Microscope glas
7. Swabs with MDS test request forms for KHV.
8. Small laminated waterproof dosage chart (apart from full manual and other paperwork)
9. Funnel
10 Small Padlock (to keep the children..... and the wife out Laughing )

Price: R 480.00

Thanks for all the inputs. One more question. What do you think would be the most appropriate description.

1. Koi Online's Medic Kit
2. Koi Online's Medical chest
3. Koi Online's First Aid Kit
4. Koi Online's Medicinal kit
Any other?

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PostSubject: Re: Koi Medic Kit   Koi Medic Kit Icon_minitimeMon Jul 07, 2008 5:02 pm

Koionline's medicine chest

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PostSubject: Re: Koi Medic Kit   Koi Medic Kit Icon_minitimeMon Jul 07, 2008 5:23 pm

What about:-

KoiMedKit ( from Koionline)
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PostSubject: Re: Koi Medic Kit   Koi Medic Kit Icon_minitimeMon Jul 07, 2008 7:14 pm

Koi Online's Medikit
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PostSubject: Re: Koi Medic Kit   Koi Medic Kit Icon_minitimeMon Jul 07, 2008 11:01 pm

KoiOnline - 911 Kit
When clean water and good food is no longer enough!
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PostSubject: Re: Koi Medic Kit   Koi Medic Kit Icon_minitimeMon Jul 07, 2008 11:04 pm

You could consider to include one of those new little spray bottles that you can buy lately that contains stuff that disinfect your hands.
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PostSubject: Re: Koi Medic Kit   Koi Medic Kit Icon_minitimeTue Jul 08, 2008 9:02 am

Colyn wrote:
KoiOnline - 911 Kit
When clean water and good food is no longer enough!

Then this kit would not help either Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Koi Medic Kit   Koi Medic Kit Icon_minitimeTue Jul 08, 2008 11:05 am

Jaco,

ek stem .................dan is daai Koi laaaaaaaaaaaaank al dood Crying or Very sad
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PostSubject: Die slotsom   Koi Medic Kit Icon_minitimeTue Jul 08, 2008 2:44 pm

Hallo julle

Ek neem nie gereeld aan jul forum deel nie, maar vandag wil ek names die dames 'n ding noem. Menere, julle kan maar daardie slotjie om die kissie toe te sluit, laat staan. Wanneer ons vroue ons wenkbroue wil mooi maak sal 'n slotjie ons nie van jul tweezer weerhou nie. Wink

Ek hou van KMK - Koionline Medicine Kit . Koionline se medisynekis.

Die koste aan die kissie is uiters bekostigbaar. Ek wonder nou so by my selwers wat die handelaars van soortgelyke produkte se winsgrens is. Exclamation
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PostSubject: Re: Koi Medic Kit   Koi Medic Kit Icon_minitimeTue Jul 08, 2008 3:44 pm

Almal herhinner my mos altyd dat daar nie so iets soos koi medikasie is nie net gif....so miskien moet jy dit maar "Koi Poisons" noem.

Wat van MediKoi Kit.
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PostSubject: Re: Koi Medic Kit   Koi Medic Kit Icon_minitimeTue Jul 08, 2008 4:01 pm

Pieter J de Villiers wrote:
Jaco,

ek stem .................dan is daai Koi laaaaaaaaaaaaank al dood Crying or Very sad

Huh ... en hoe werk jy dit uit ? Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Koi Medic Kit   Koi Medic Kit Icon_minitimeTue Jul 08, 2008 4:22 pm

911 Suspect affraid

Wanneer laas het jy 'n nooddiens in ons land geskakel?

1. Jy is gelukkig as die oproep beantwoord word!
2. Jy is gelukkig as jou adres reg afgeneem word!
3. Jy moet hoop daar is 'n voertuig beskikbaar!
4. Bid dat hulle 'n padkaart het............................... want die GPS is lankal gesteel lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Koi Medic Kit   Koi Medic Kit Icon_minitimeTue Jul 08, 2008 4:41 pm

DIs hoekom die tassie daar is. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Koi Medic Kit   Koi Medic Kit Icon_minitimeWed Jul 09, 2008 2:22 pm

Thanks for all the inputs on the name.

After considering all the options given, I have decided on Koi Medicine Chest. This name is search engine friendly and after research, I found that most people who are in search of medicine for koi, enters the terms "koi" and "medicine" into their search engine.

In the modern era of internet marketing, I believe that one have consider the names for products for sale very carefully and give priority to "search engine friendly" names.

Although for instance 911 or Medikoi is a very good description, nobody will enter that into a search engine.

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PostSubject: Re: Koi Medic Kit   Koi Medic Kit Icon_minitimeMon Jul 21, 2008 10:41 am

Final "Koi Medicine Chest", available from my web site and Bid or Buy(from today onwards) For more information, please view: http://www.koionline.co.za/medicine_chest.htm

Already selling like sweet cake @ R 480.00. Average retail value: R 900.00

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1 Heavy duty plastic "tool" box, Can be locked, galvanised hinges
2 Potassium Permanganate, 150 g
3 Virkon S, 150 g
4 Malachite Green, Parasite, bacterial and fungus treatment, 100 ml - 6% solution
5 Methylene Blue, 100 ml - 4% solution
6 Formalin, 250 ml
7 FMC (Formalin plus Malachite Green), 250 ml
8 Trichlorfon, Anchor worms, leeches, Fish lice, 60 g
9 Acriflavine, 100 ml - 12% solution
10 Seponver Plus, Fluke treatment, 100 ml
11 Hydrogen peroxide, 100 ml
12 Friars Balsem Wound sealer, 20 ml
13 Clove oil, to anaesthetise koi for treatment or to euthanase koi. 5 ml
14 Sterilizing agent, to sterlilize and disinfect hands, 100 ml
15 Syringa to inject anti-biotics or measure medication (1)
16 Ear Buds, totreat wounds or take swabs (20)
17 Cotton wool, to treat wounds 1
18 Measuring spoon, to measure solid quantities and mix medication 1
19 Measuring jar, to measure liquid quantities, 300 ml
20 Brush, to apply medication/sterilizing agent to wounds 1
21 Funnel, mix medication 1
22 Tissues, to dry wounds before topical treatment or cleanup (10)
23 Tweezer, to remove anchor worm or treat wounds 1
24 Scissors, to cut fin rot and general cutting 1
25 Surgical gloves, to protect hands from medication and to prevent infection 6
26 Ball point pen, to keep record of treatments and make notes / calculations 1
27 Microscope glass, to take parasite scrapes 1
28 Small plastic bags, to inject koi or dispose of dead koi or to transport koi 1
29 Large heavy duty waterproof plastic bag, to transport koi 1
30 Bubble rap sheet, soft surface, heat protection 1
31 Full health manual 1

For further information, please view: www.koionline.co.za/medicine_chest.htm

Thanks again for all the inputs received.

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