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PostSubject: Waynes' 2012 Showa spawning   Waynes' 2012 Showa spawning Icon_minitimeSat Sep 15, 2012 7:25 pm

Yeah, its that time of year again...

I am in the preparing phase for this years spawning. My friend, Eugen has given me his male kohaku (57cm) for this years spawning.

I bred this kohaku back in 2008, its from this spawning. It has the exceptional red and white although its pattern is not desired.

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But as you have noticed, this is a Kohaku and i am planning to spawn Showa. My idea is to cross this Male Kohaku with a Showa female to hopefully transfer this males Red and white. Ill be culling for Showa and NO kohakus will be kept. I think its risky but well worth the effort.

What do you think?

Ill post a photo of the female tomorrow.
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PostSubject: Re: Waynes' 2012 Showa spawning   Waynes' 2012 Showa spawning Icon_minitimeSun Sep 16, 2012 5:16 am

Looks very interesting!
U need to post so we learn from the results.
I am thinking, is the body not a bit short??? If yes, probably it can be from environmental conditions ??? and it will still have the good genes of the parents...
What do U think about this?
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PostSubject: Re: Waynes' 2012 Showa spawning   Waynes' 2012 Showa spawning Icon_minitimeSun Sep 16, 2012 8:14 am

Good eye Neli. Yes this koi grew up in a 7000l pond. I went and checked, it looks ok (not perfect), its a bit difficult to say a koi that is 57cm is short Smile

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Rugby ball, Baloon,


Sorry Wayne had to get that in, Only Joking , nice fish. Has its faults , but so has everything. lol! lol!

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PostSubject: Re: Waynes' 2012 Showa spawning   Waynes' 2012 Showa spawning Icon_minitimeSun Sep 16, 2012 2:30 pm

Hahaha, ja Costa.... I still have to post the female, you might get your rugby ball...or maybe not. geek

Spawning pairs are usually not show koi. I will be the first to admit that this spawing pair is a bit dodge...Kohaku x Showa. Eish... but ja its a experiment. Lets see what happens.

I still have to get permission to spawn the showa.
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From who scratch And what bloodline is she.

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wayneb wrote:
Good eye Neli. Yes this koi grew up in a 7000l pond. I went and checked, it looks ok (not perfect), its a bit difficult to say a koi that is 57cm is short Smile

I am talking about proportions...not overall length.
But are males used for pattern and females for body traits.
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Hi Neli, i know what you mean.

I am not sure if one can say which parts comes from which parent... Ill have to make sure cull very strict on body shape. I am hoping to transfer the red and white from the male and have the body shape and black from the female. But keep in mind that i also know the heritage of the kohaku male so i do know what is mom looked like and its father. - So it does not come from a heritage.

If i dont get anything decent from the spawning - then it will just be school fees.

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wayneb wrote:
Hi Neli, i know what you mean.

I am not sure if one can say which parts comes from which parent... Ill have to make sure cull very strict on body shape. I am hoping to transfer the red and white from the male and have the body shape and black from the female. But keep in mind that i also know the heritage of the kohaku male so i do know what is mom looked like and its father. - So it does not come from a heritage.

If i dont get anything decent from the spawning - then it will just be school fees.

He he he!
Then we will not pay school fees. I am sure U will get some very nice ones!
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Here's the female.

Momotaro Showa Female - 55cm. She belongs to Ernst Van Dyk. Ernst has given me permission to spawn this showa.

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UU ! Nice!
U can get some kindai from the mix!
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PostSubject: Re: Waynes' 2012 Showa spawning   Waynes' 2012 Showa spawning Icon_minitimeMon Sep 17, 2012 12:00 am

Hi Wayne
I think it will work out just fine. Don't expect a whole mud pond full of breeder select, but you will get your 40 or so. Remember, it took them 6 years to establish the blood line with very little good offspring the first few years.

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PostSubject: Re: Waynes' 2012 Showa spawning   Waynes' 2012 Showa spawning Icon_minitimeSun Jan 06, 2013 8:47 pm


Well i decided to do 3 spawning last year. Kohaku, Sanke and Showa. My family and I did the first culling today. Had to work through thousands of little fry. I now have 3 show vats full of fry.


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Post a picture of yourself. I want to see the proud daddy!
Job well done!
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Well done Wayne Very Happy Any supremes so far Question Very good growth for show vats! bounce What are you feeding them?

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nice to see the whole family gets involved.

I can just imagine my wife trying to keep all the culls hidden so she can try and save them.

Looks good, would like to see the keepers when you're done
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Miya Oki Koi wrote:
Well done Wayne Very Happy Any supremes so far Question Very good growth for show vats! bounce What are you feeding them?

Sakura. lol

Supremes, hmmm - one that has caught my eye but its far to early. Was so difficult to cull this time around as the fry where all so small and the patterns and colours wasnt all out yet bu i had no choice - had to lower the fry count.
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PostSubject: Re: Waynes' 2012 Showa spawning   Waynes' 2012 Showa spawning Icon_minitimeTue Jan 08, 2013 5:33 am

So where is the photo of the little grand champion in the making Question lol! Culling is key and I think you did the right thing, I'm sure you will get a few stunning ones like last year. Very Happy

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Hi there Wayne ,

I agree with Tommy , last year was `n good year for you and you did a very good job.
I cant wait to see what is going to come out of this fry this year.

Good luck Very Happy
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I'm so glad I found you guys. It's so exciting seeing what results you get.

You guys will be my koi fix for the winter. I don't get to do this until April or May.

Loving it!!!!!!!

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koigal50 wrote:
I'm so glad I found you guys. It's so exciting seeing what results you get.

You guys will be my koi fix for the winter. I don't get to do this until April or May.

Loving it!!!!!!!

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Your enthusiam is quite contagious..........thanks!!!
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Its been a while since i updates this. Ihavnt worked through the little critters for 2 /3 weeks now. I just took a net and netted a few - here are some pics.

Kohakus are doing very well. I have 2 good Sanke as far as i can see but the Shawas are all struggling. The Showas have good strong black but the red are limited to the front half. Ill grow them a bit longer to see what happens. This coming weekend i am culling some of them.

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looking very good.
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Looks good Wayne. A bit concerned about the bloated bodies. Might be a bacterial infection?

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ill keep an eye on it but i think its more a case of over feeding... Everytime my wife walks by its like a wave of koi following her and then she says "Ahh the are hungry...."
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