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PostSubject: aquatechnobel pond project   aquatechnobel pond project Icon_minitimeThu Aug 02, 2012 8:06 pm

I proposed the construction of my pond after 3 years without a pond, for this, I want to make it good because it is

the last pond for me.



facility is approximately 200,000 L with a waterfall of 15m long and 2.5m high plus and winter pond of 20.000L



filtration with two lines, first line with paper filter as mecanical filter and Japanese mats the second line with

drum filter and Japanese mats also, airlift fed of course, I provide special filter chambers, but we discus later on



With all the rain of the expense weeks, my wall is falling down, setback but yes we are going anyway, and a solution

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To begin with, setting up of scrap for the foundations of the wall and poured foundations



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the form is visible, the circumference are now set



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My submersible pump is slightly contaminated with clay



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The concrete flows



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The foundation of the pond bottom is in place



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First two blocks from the anterior part of masonry, the wall height To get to two blocks higher in bowls



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PostSubject: Re: aquatechnobel pond project   aquatechnobel pond project Icon_minitimeThu Aug 02, 2012 8:24 pm

That is a huge pond! Can not figure yet what is happening but it is very interesting...
Did U see my pond build? I have a link here...Hope to finish it within a month...hopefully...
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PostSubject: Re: aquatechnobel pond project   aquatechnobel pond project Icon_minitimeThu Aug 02, 2012 8:57 pm

Hi Neli

you are completely crease woman, I love this Very Happy

nice project also, my vision is different between the filtration

here the first layout on paper of the project, some thinks are very different take good look on this drawing

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PostSubject: Re: aquatechnobel pond project   aquatechnobel pond project Icon_minitimeFri Aug 03, 2012 5:03 am

Darling,
I could not see the drawing...Can U send it as Jpg format...or PDF????
I think yours is crazier than mine...and I like the way it looks...is it a liner pond?
It will look fantastic when finished...love the way it is flowing...
I have nothing to buy here for the filtration so it is all very primitive and DIY...for now!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: aquatechnobel pond project   aquatechnobel pond project Icon_minitimeFri Aug 03, 2012 7:03 am

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PostSubject: Re: aquatechnobel pond project   aquatechnobel pond project Icon_minitimeFri Aug 03, 2012 10:06 am

i CAN SEE IT NOW...
Why is your bid filter coming out of C?
How is it driven??? with a pump??? Maybe to bakki????
How will u do your airlifts??? with compression chamber or not. How long are the runs to the p[ond from them? Any more details???
Is the pond going to be 3 blocks deep??? U are not scared ot run off?
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PostSubject: Re: aquatechnobel pond project   aquatechnobel pond project Icon_minitimeFri Aug 03, 2012 11:28 am

Neli wrote:
i CAN SEE IT NOW...
Why is your bid filter coming out of C?

because I need flow to feed the bid, 20m/h minimum

How is it driven??? with a pump??? Maybe to bakki????

yes a pump, a normal pump, no bakki, this will be used only to create a stream inside the pond, the idea is to create a stream to move the ground and the shit on it (sorry for the word) to facility to go after in the drains and also to kill the the dead zone in the pond, water need to bee any time in moving everywhere

How will u do your airlifts??? with compression chamber or not.

yes with a compression chamber, 1.7 m long in pipes of 110mm diameter

How long are the runs to the p[ond from them?

0 m because the G part is in the pond so the outlets of the airlift are direct in the pond

Any more details???

I will try to build the first airlift with constant flow, to do this I need to have airlift on a constant hight between the water glass, not so simple to realise

yes the I short circuit, this is very important when you use a paper filter or a drum filter, we tested this facility many years with good results, why this ?

the drum filter or paper filter take to many organic material out the pond, and the biologic filter organic material to work, so for starting the new pond, this short circuit will be activate the time needed to have the full nitrogen cycle, after we used the drum filter when the nitrite are 0

but it is not all, after we used this short circuit time to time to hold enough shit in the biological part, else the filter do not work correctly, why ?

when you have shit enough in the filter, the filter produce acid, this acid is needed to have a stable pH, when you don't have enough shit, directly you have a diminution of the bacterial activity and at the same time, reducing of the acid generation then the pH will grow up for a certain time the the bacteria activity raising again and the pH gauss down, the cycle continue for live time, with big movement on pH, no good !
So the biological part need to be feed with shit at the time to maintain stable the bacterial activity
that is typical for a very good mechanical filter system, sometimes to match is to match, but i solved with this short circuit

Sorry for my shit English, I hope that you have understood watt I mean


Is the pond going to be 3 blocks deep???

No the wall is not finish normal 4 blocks for the front part of the pond, the backward is deeper something like -1.8m to -2m

U are not scared ot run off?

sorry I am not understand your question ?

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PostSubject: Re: aquatechnobel pond project   aquatechnobel pond project Icon_minitimeFri Aug 03, 2012 8:56 pm

This one I dont understand:
the drum filter or paper filter take to many organic material out the pond, and the biologic filter organic material to work, so for starting the new pond, this short circuit will be activate the time needed to have the full nitrogen cycle, after we used the drum filter when the nitrite are 0

but it is not all, after we used this short circuit time to time to hold enough shit in the biological part, else the filter do not work correctly, why ?

when you have shit enough in the filter, the filter produce acid, this acid is needed to have a stable pH, when you don't have enough shit, directly you have a diminution of the bacterial activity and at the same time, reducing of the acid generation then the pH will grow up for a certain time the the bacteria activity raising again and the pH gauss down, the cycle continue for live time, with big movement on pH, no good !
So the biological part need to be feed with shit at the time to maintain stable the bacterial activity
that is typical for a very good mechanical filter system, sometimes to match is to match, but i solved with this short circuit

Are U saying the U need to make the biofilter dirty in the beginning in order to promote nitrosoma growth and speed up the cycling of the filter.?
How do U handle the ammonia then if U dont remove the shit on time???
As far as I know...ammonia is soluble, and drum filter can not remove it...
As far as I know shit encourages the grouth of heterotrophic bacteria, and heterotophic bacteria inhibits the growth of nitrosoma...so I see some contradictions here...can U explain?
Then U say the shit produces acid...are U sure? I though it is the bacteria that does that...
I know U have fluctuations of PH due to algae/plant activities...due to CO2 production....but did not know U get it from bacteria too.
I dont see how the PH will raise and then bacteria activity raise...what makes it to raise????
Yes U need to feed the bacteria...with ammonia derivatives...but that does not need to be in the form of shit...that will stop your bacteria from growing...Can U explain better the mechanism of your theory?
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PostSubject: Re: aquatechnobel pond project   aquatechnobel pond project Icon_minitimeTue Aug 07, 2012 8:20 pm

Neli wrote:
This one I dont understand:
the drum filter or paper filter take to many organic material out the pond, and the biologic filter organic material to work, so for starting the new pond, this short circuit will be activate the time needed to have the full nitrogen cycle, after we used the drum filter when the nitrite are 0

but it is not all, after we used this short circuit time to time to hold enough shit in the biological part, else the filter do not work correctly, why ?

when you have shit enough in the filter, the filter produce acid, this acid is needed to have a stable pH, when you don't have enough shit, directly you have a diminution of the bacterial activity and at the same time, reducing of the acid generation then the pH will grow up for a certain time the the bacteria activity raising again and the pH gauss down, the cycle continue for live time, with big movement on pH, no good !
So the biological part need to be feed with shit at the time to maintain stable the bacterial activity
that is typical for a very good mechanical filter system, sometimes to match is to match, but i solved with this short circuit


sorry to answer in multiple post, I lost 3 time my explanation Crying or Very sad

Are U saying the U need to make the biofilter dirty in the beginning in order to promote nitrosoma growth and speed up the cycling of the filter.?

Yes, no dirty no god filtering starting, I see it many times, without fish in lot of pond you never can have 0 nitrite
I have start also many ponds without nitrite pic with use of ammoniac to start he system


How do U handle the ammonia then if U dont remove the shit on time???

the biological filter do it, it is his job to do it

As far as I know...ammonia is soluble, and drum filter can not remove it...

that right

As far as I know shit encourages the grouth of heterotrophic bacteria, and heterotophic bacteria inhibits the growth of nitrosoma...so I see some contradictions here...can U explain?

I can show you a example of a test of different type of filtering, the test him self is not important but the results are interesting to understand the working of a biological filtration

Then U say the shit produces acid...are U sure? I though it is the bacteria that does that...

normal process of the works of bacteria, you do he same as you eat, your stomach produce also acid for digesting

I know U have fluctuations of PH due to algae/plant activities...due to CO2 production....but did not know U get it from bacteria too.

yes of cores the algae produce also acid and certainly the unicellular that make the green water

I dont see how the PH will raise and then bacteria activity raise...what makes it to raise????

The pH raise when the bacteria activity go down or dying

Yes U need to feed the bacteria...with ammonia derivatives...but that does not need to be in the form of shit...that will stop your bacteria from growing...Can U explain better the mechanism of your theory?

The filter do not work with only one element ammonia he need more to have a normal function, when i say shit it was not the good word, I will say dirty to feed the full set of bacteria, organic elements, a filter do not work with only one type of bacteria, its like the plankton you have allot of different plankton
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PostSubject: Re: aquatechnobel pond project   aquatechnobel pond project Icon_minitimeWed Aug 08, 2012 7:06 am

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Neli wrote:
This one I dont understand:
the drum filter or paper filter take to many organic material out the pond, and the biologic filter organic material to work, so for starting the new pond, this short circuit will be activate the time needed to have the full nitrogen cycle, after we used the drum filter when the nitrite are 0

but it is not all, after we used this short circuit time to time to hold enough shit in the biological part, else the filter do not work correctly, why ?

when you have shit enough in the filter, the filter produce acid, this acid is needed to have a stable pH, when you don't have enough shit, directly you have a diminution of the bacterial activity and at the same time, reducing of the acid generation then the pH will grow up for a certain time the the bacteria activity raising again and the pH gauss down, the cycle continue for live time, with big movement on pH, no good !
So the biological part need to be feed with shit at the time to maintain stable the bacterial activity
that is typical for a very good mechanical filter system, sometimes to match is to match, but i solved with this short circuit


sorry to answer in multiple post, I lost 3 time my explanation Crying or Very sad

Are U saying the U need to make the biofilter dirty in the beginning in order to promote nitrosoma growth and speed up the cycling of the filter.?

Yes, no dirty no god filtering starting, I see it many times, without fish in lot of pond you never can have 0 nitrite
I have start also many ponds without nitrite pic with use of ammoniac to start he system

Clarify this one for me. Are using the word shit for ammonia and products or excrement?

How do U handle the ammonia then if U dont remove the shit on time???

the biological filter do it, it is his job to do it

U can not remove the ammonia with mechanical filtration...So even if U remove the shit ammonia will still be there to feed the nitrosomas. No?
As far as I know...ammonia is soluble, and drum filter can not remove it...

that right

As far as I know shit encourages the grouth of heterotrophic bacteria, and heterotophic bacteria inhibits the growth of nitrosoma...so I see some contradictions here...can U explain?

I can show you a example of a test of different type of filtering, the test him self is not important but the results are interesting to understand the working of a biological filtration

Then U say the shit produces acid...are U sure? I though it is the bacteria that does that...

normal process of the works of bacteria, you do he same as you eat, your stomach produce also acid for digesting

I know U have fluctuations of PH due to algae/plant activities...due to CO2 production....but did not know U get it from bacteria too.

yes of cores the algae produce also acid and certainly the unicellular that make the green water

I dont see how the PH will raise and then bacteria activity raise...what makes it to raise????

The pH raise when the bacteria activity go down or dying

Yes U need to feed the bacteria...with ammonia derivatives...but that does not need to be in the form of shit...that will stop your bacteria from growing...Can U explain better the mechanism of your theory?

The filter do not work with only one element ammonia he need more to have a normal function, when i say shit it was not the good word, I will say dirty to feed the full set of bacteria, organic elements, a filter do not work with only one type of bacteria, its like the plankton you have allot of different plankton
I am thinking! Maybe U mean the sheet is the foundation for a matrix on which bacteria grows???
Try adding two spoons or more of sower milk or yogurt in your filter...Helps a lot!
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PostSubject: Re: aquatechnobel pond project   aquatechnobel pond project Icon_minitimeWed Aug 08, 2012 8:24 am

I don't think so, lactic bacteria don't survive in water Wink
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PostSubject: Re: aquatechnobel pond project   aquatechnobel pond project Icon_minitimeWed Aug 08, 2012 9:50 am

Hi there atb tv ,

Very nice pond you are building there.

Can wait to see more.

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I don't think so, lactic bacteria don't survive in water Wink
It is not meant to survive in water...it feeds all the beneficial bugs in your filter...The Japanese do it.
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PostSubject: Re: aquatechnobel pond project   aquatechnobel pond project Icon_minitimeWed Aug 08, 2012 2:30 pm

Neli wrote:
atb tv wrote:
I don't think so, lactic bacteria don't survive in water Wink
It is not meant to survive in water...it feeds all the beneficial bugs in your filter...The Japanese do it.

can you say wish breeder do it ?
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PostSubject: Re: aquatechnobel pond project   aquatechnobel pond project Icon_minitimeThu Aug 09, 2012 6:29 am

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Neli wrote:
atb tv wrote:
I don't think so, lactic bacteria don't survive in water Wink
It is not meant to survive in water...it feeds all the beneficial bugs in your filter...The Japanese do it.

can you say wish breeder do it ?
I asked Oishi's translator while We were at takigawa...both said: Very good! We use it...
My Dealer with whom I went to Japan, posts on this forum...so he can be my witness.
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PostSubject: Re: aquatechnobel pond project   aquatechnobel pond project Icon_minitimeSun Aug 12, 2012 11:20 am

we follow our plan, now the foundation of the filtration site

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we pour

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Oups little problem with the crane

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it is done, now waiting for the coming dry

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us start with the central area to fill with hard, just to see what we do there

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the concrete is dry, we can establish the wall

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the wall is high enough in the case of rain, no two wall on the ground!

We continue this week with the filtration space

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PostSubject: Re: aquatechnobel pond project   aquatechnobel pond project Icon_minitimeSun Aug 12, 2012 2:55 pm

Are U putting a liner or U will water proof it?
It is looking very nice!
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PostSubject: Re: aquatechnobel pond project   aquatechnobel pond project Icon_minitimeSun Aug 12, 2012 11:57 pm

PEHD polyethylene fr the sealing, but I am not at this part of the building
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PostSubject: Re: aquatechnobel pond project   aquatechnobel pond project Icon_minitimeMon Aug 13, 2012 7:10 am

What is that? A type of liner of coating?
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PostSubject: Re: aquatechnobel pond project   aquatechnobel pond project Icon_minitimeMon Aug 13, 2012 11:20 pm

it's like PVC plate and it is welded

colour black

you can have plates with different thickness, from 1mm to match more than 1cm

totally rot-proof and resit at any of the acid as well as Crude Oil, this widely used in industry

for me it is better than polyester for big pond Wink
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Good idea!
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PostSubject: Re: aquatechnobel pond project   aquatechnobel pond project Icon_minitimeMon Aug 20, 2012 6:21 pm

we go on

Today historic day, the waterfall is back in place

The filtration room for the feed back

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The small rock, a remnant of gravel found during the excavation of the Winter pond

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finally we are all aware of the local filtration

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The waterfall is back in place

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the Pipes begin to bowls in the filtration locally

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it is not done for the structural work to follow
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A bit confusing...but I already know it will be a superb pond!
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Neli wrote:
A bit confusing...but I already know it will be a superb pond!

confusing ?

no its very clear in my head scratch
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