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PostSubject: Shiro Utsuri development   Shiro Utsuri development Icon_minitimeFri Jun 08, 2012 8:45 pm

Shiro Utsuri development, would anyone want guess / predict its development?

Aug 2010 - Best Potential Size 1 - Western Cape Show.
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Aug 2011- 3rd Utsuri Mono Size 3 - Western Cape Show.
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PostSubject: Re: Shiro Utsuri development   Shiro Utsuri development Icon_minitimeFri Jun 08, 2012 9:23 pm

Omosako is famous for having sumi emerge after 3-4 years...but when it comes out it is worth the wait...I will predict this shiro will have lots more sumi and good quality sumi...combined with the nice body and white white....it all will be worth the wait.
But even now I like it.
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PostSubject: Re: Shiro Utsuri development   Shiro Utsuri development Icon_minitimeFri Jun 08, 2012 9:47 pm

How did you know its from Omosako? I will post the new picture tomorrow. I need more people to predict. I must say the white on this koi is amazing.
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PostSubject: Re: Shiro Utsuri development   Shiro Utsuri development Icon_minitimeFri Jun 08, 2012 10:01 pm

wayneb wrote:
How did you know its from Omosako? I will post the new picture tomorrow. I need more people to predict. I must say the white on this koi is amazing.
I have seen pictures of lots of omosako shiros ...so I guessed it is omosako...especially the fact that it has not much sumi at this age...
It is a very mysterious shiro...full of surprises....
Was I right?
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PostSubject: Re: Shiro Utsuri development   Shiro Utsuri development Icon_minitimeFri Jun 08, 2012 10:03 pm

It has indeed surprised me.
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PostSubject: Re: Shiro Utsuri development   Shiro Utsuri development Icon_minitimeFri Jun 08, 2012 10:29 pm

I am also surprised...that means I am improving a bit...not expected...
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PostSubject: Re: Shiro Utsuri development   Shiro Utsuri development Icon_minitimeSat Jun 09, 2012 3:16 pm

Anyone else wanting to take a stab at the development of this shiro? Good or bad, does not matter.
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PostSubject: Re: Shiro Utsuri development   Shiro Utsuri development Icon_minitimeSat Jun 09, 2012 5:51 pm

I think people have not seen your thread...they dont have here a place like on koi4u...where U see all posts ...
if I open a thread from my email...notification...the forum thinks i have seen all and dont show new posts...posts since last visit...
No one has answered my new pond build too...Did U see it?
Or maybe no one wants to answer it...
I almost missed this thread...had to check one by one the posts on the home page...
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PostSubject: Re: Shiro Utsuri development   Shiro Utsuri development Icon_minitimeSat Jun 09, 2012 5:52 pm

Did not see you thread, tried to pm you but you dont allow PM's.
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PostSubject: Re: Shiro Utsuri development   Shiro Utsuri development Icon_minitimeSat Jun 09, 2012 5:54 pm

Maybe they just dont want to risk or i am being ignored...who knows.
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PostSubject: Re: Shiro Utsuri development   Shiro Utsuri development Icon_minitimeSat Jun 09, 2012 5:57 pm

I think U are not ignored...I am sure they have not seen it!
I did not know that I dont allow PM...
Can U advise something on my pond build...dont want to mess up...
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PostSubject: Re: Shiro Utsuri development   Shiro Utsuri development Icon_minitimeSat Jun 09, 2012 6:00 pm

Well, here it is. I was hoping to get more people involved to show how koi can throw curve balls at one. Did this koi develop badly due to my koi keeping skills? Could i possible have for seen this?

I am posting these questions to show that tosai do not develop in the way that we expect. I hand picked this koi out of 80 others. Even the judges said this would be a stunning koi one day and awarded it Best Potential. Last year August it developed red eyes before the show and that is why it got a 3rd. Rene' the SA judge said it was such a pitty. The rest of the Hi developed from Aug to Dec.....Genetics, can be such a bi#$ch? I selected 7 Omosako tosai out of the 80 and only 1 developed ok, its now 55cm. 4 out of the 7 developed tobi hi.

I have written this experience off as school fees in December already when i removed this koi from my pond but thought i would just share this with everyone as a way to learn something.

Aug 2010 - Best Potential Size 1 - Western Cape Show.
Shiro Utsuri development Female_Omosako_Shiro_Utsuri_201008-400

Aug 2011- 3rd Utsuri Mono Size 3 - Western Cape Show.
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PostSubject: Re: Shiro Utsuri development   Shiro Utsuri development Icon_minitimeSat Jun 09, 2012 6:01 pm

I got lots of PM from Costa...so I dont know why yours did not go...checked the settings...they are OK...
But U have my email...U can email me.
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PostSubject: Re: Shiro Utsuri development   Shiro Utsuri development Icon_minitimeSat Jun 09, 2012 6:06 pm

He! That is for sure funny!
it is easier for showa to become a shiro...but I can tell U my shiro is developing the same thing...on its back...it is one of my first koi...cheap one...so I thought it is my koi keeping skills...but looking at yours...i feel better...he he he!
But on mine...I am still hoping it will go away...Do U think it can go away?
Keep it...it might turn into a Ki utsuri..he he he!
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PostSubject: Re: Shiro Utsuri development   Shiro Utsuri development Icon_minitimeSat Jun 09, 2012 6:08 pm

Nope, that photo was taken today and it is just getting worse. And no i dont feed colour enhancer even. The pond in which it is now is in the shade under a roof, no algea on the walls.

It normally depends on where the tobi mark is on shiro's. If it is in the front half and only 1 or 2 spots then yes it can go away but if it is towards the back half then no, its just going to get worse with time.

If it is in the mouth, eyes or pectorals then the koi is a gonner.
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PostSubject: Re: Shiro Utsuri development   Shiro Utsuri development Icon_minitimeSat Jun 09, 2012 6:15 pm

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Nope, that photo was taken today and it is just getting worse. And no i dont feed colour enhancer even. The pond in which it is now is in the shade under a roof, no algea on the walls.

It normally depends on where the tobi mark is on shiro's. If it is in the front half and only 1 or 2 spots then yes it can go away but if it is towards the back half then no, its just going to get worse with time.
So then for sure it might turn into ki utsuri..or even hi utsuri...He he he.
I have just seen my thread had 31 views, so I for sure have been ignored..He!
So it will save me time posting all the details during the build...it is OK!
Can not force people to post on my thread...
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PostSubject: Re: Shiro Utsuri development   Shiro Utsuri development Icon_minitimeSat Jun 09, 2012 7:57 pm

Shocked EISH ,not nice. Sad Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

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PostSubject: Re: Shiro Utsuri development   Shiro Utsuri development Icon_minitimeMon Jun 11, 2012 9:33 am

phew....that is a real pity.......nice to hear that you have not fed colour enhancers as I was worried that colour enhanced food could do this.

Remember you saying you fed a spirulina capsule into a fish's mouth some time ago, this was not one of those?

Sorry about how this fish turned out for you!
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PostSubject: Re: Shiro Utsuri development   Shiro Utsuri development Icon_minitimeMon Jun 11, 2012 6:46 pm

Damn! Sad This fish looked really promising Suspect Was this Shiro imported or locally bred?

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PostSubject: Re: Shiro Utsuri development   Shiro Utsuri development Icon_minitimeMon Jun 11, 2012 7:29 pm

It was 1 out of 7 imported from Omosako. 3 out of the 7 excluding the previouse one got tobi hi and i lost 2 more due to disease.


Here is one of the others that developed okay...its not amazing- just ok. It is male and its white is no-where close to what the others looked like. It has managed to take 1st so far at every koi show but it is not really special in my book, it is just a decent Shiro Utsuri. I used this male when i spawned my own Shiro's last year and must say i got not too bad off-spring.

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PostSubject: Re: Shiro Utsuri development   Shiro Utsuri development Icon_minitimeMon Jun 11, 2012 7:53 pm

Cliff wrote:
phew....that is a real pity.......nice to hear that you have not fed colour enhancers as I was worried that colour enhanced food could do this.

Remember you saying you fed a spirulina capsule into a fish's mouth some time ago, this was not one of those?

Sorry about how this fish turned out for you!

Hi Cliff, no i feed my koi the spirulina tablet by bowling them and then feeding it to them, specificly so that the Shiro Utsuris dont get any.

It is not a good idea to feed colour enhancer food to any Shiro Utsuri. Often people tell you that if the koi comes from a good blood line it will not develop tobi hi - that is nonsense. Colour enhancing foods are developed to bring red out, Shiro Utsuris that we have these days come from Showa and if they eat spirulina they stand a good chance to develop red. I have a light redish blush mark on my best Shiro Utsuri in my pond that comes and goes as the seasons do because she eats algea.

Shiro Utsuri's do best in coldish, darkish ponds - All koi obviously needs heat and sun.

This is what Takayoshi Omosako himself had to say about colour enhanser food - and how can any one argue with the master?

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4. As hobbyists we tend to have Shiro in the same pond as other variety. Please
comment on feeding colour enhancing food such as spirulina.

We do not recommend feeding any color enhancing food. Since we are specialized in
Shiro Utsuri thus it is easy for us to control. We understand this challenge of most
hobbyists. It is indeed a challenge for us too in producing our future Shiro Utsuri that
can do well even with color food.
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PostSubject: Re: Shiro Utsuri development   Shiro Utsuri development Icon_minitimeMon Aug 06, 2012 10:03 am

Hi there Wayne ,

Do you have any update picture of the Shiro , are there any changes?

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