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PostSubject: please help   please help Icon_minitimeFri Jun 25, 2010 7:31 pm

wat se tipe koi is hierdie

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PostSubject: Re: please help   please help Icon_minitimeFri Jun 25, 2010 9:17 pm

Sorry it is not a Shusui!

This fish is metallic. Ginsui and Kinsui are Hikarimon of the Shusui.
Ginsui have less Hi then the Kinsui, and show more platinum luster.
This is a Kinsui.
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Wasn't completely sure....thanks pdv
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Wasn't completely sure....thanks pdv
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PostSubject: Re: please help   please help Icon_minitimeFri Jun 25, 2010 9:35 pm

Cliff,

That's how we learn.

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PostSubject: Re: please help   please help Icon_minitimeSat Jun 26, 2010 8:11 am

Hi,

Are you sure thats not a Doitsu Kujaku?

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PostSubject: Re: please help   please help Icon_minitimeSat Jun 26, 2010 10:50 am

Hi,

A Doitsu Kujaku is a platinum koi with red/orange markings over its body and black markings in the scales along the dorsal and lateral lines only.
(Hikarimoyo-mono)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHMT5p8XH0I

and to confuse everyone evenmore, read this...............

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The Kujaku is a koi variety that has evolved from the combination of Shusui with Kin Matsuba and Hariwake to become one of the most popular koi in the Hikari Moyo class. Hikari Moyo you ask? Hikari Moyo is a ‘show class’ of koi. But for the typical koi enthusiast any fish in this group is sure to please. It’s the shine, or luster, or sheen, as you’ll hear it described.

Hikari describes the metallic skin, and moyo means ‘of more than one color.’ However, modern Kujaku rarely display the black, brown, white, orange and red of their ancestors. A current day Kujaku is basically a Gin Matsuba that has a Kohaku pattern, if that makes sense to you.

Oh,…so Kujaku is the five colored koi, or peacock koi that everyone is searching for. Yes, it is, although Goshiki is also a koi, which also sports 5 colors. Confused yet? Look for the luster, or sheen. If it doesn’t have a thick metallic Platinum base, it’s not a Kujaku.

In other words, Kujaku is a metallic platinum based koi that has black Matsuba (pinecone) scales, and orangey-red markings like a Kohaku. Good Kujaku usually showcase large platinum pectoral fins that are a superb accent to everything else the fish has going on. The solid platinum fins are a calm retreat from the very busy dark scalation and hi (red) pattern. A clean white head or face pattern is ideal. The fish should have good metallic luster, evenly colored pinecone scales, a clean clear head and a pleasing pattern. Five or six rows of scales with dark colored centers is acceptable.

With so much going on, a Kujaku is sometimes mistaken for a Kin Showa, but Kujaku do not have large black patches like a Kin Showa.

As if our heads were not already spinning, Kujaku also comes in a Doitsu variation. On a Doitsu Kujaku the scales appear only along the dorsal line, or backbone, and possibly along the lateral lines. Look for the dark centered scales and clean Platinum skin to identify the Doitsu Kujaku.

Due to the diverse lineage of Kujaku culling its offspring is quite a challenge. Not only do the young Kujaku resemble ‘pond mutts’ at an early age, many of their siblings are of various varieties. We can also find Ogon, Kikusui, Kohaku, Aka Matsuba, Gin Matsuba, Asagi, Hariwake just to name a few from a single pairing of Kujaku breeder koi. Then add in the variable of Doitsu scales and the task of culling 100,000+ babies is not for the faint of heart.
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pieter dankie vir die lank en ingewikkelde verduideliking nou in afrikaans asseblief hehehehe

dankie ek begin ook nou meer verstaan
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PostSubject: Re: please help   please help Icon_minitimeSat Jun 26, 2010 12:00 pm

Hi Pieter,

All very complicated, I think we will just ask you every time, much easier, or just stop to get involved with these fancy varieties.

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neville die dokter weet waar jy bly so passop hehehehe
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Moet dan nie my oordeel in twyfel trek nie!

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