my butterfly koi is 55cm and eyes have sunken in ,help plz

Two things comes to mind. Gill rot or KHV.

The first step would be to inspect the gills. See if they look healthy. Are there any other signs, for instance lethargic etc?

Can also be costia or a bacterial infection.

If the gills look fine, do a scrape to check for costia.

There is also a condition known as pig eye where the bone around the eye grows and starts to cover the eye. That can also cause they to look sunken.


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fish is lethargic, and i thnk fish is blind now. doesnt react to any movement. doesnt eat coz it cant se food. dont have acces to microscope where i stay or someone else with koi fish. can i inject it wit antibio. will eyes come right or is it permanant damage

ooh, ooh. Adeel how many fish do you have and please until this is resolved dont move any in or out of your pond. This does not sound good to me where are you situated? Are you a SAKKS member? I think you should call them if you are. If you tell me where you are I will tell you where to have a KHV test done.

HI NEVILLE IM IN VRYBURG NORTH WEST PROVINCE. I HAVE CLOSE TO 40 FISH RANGING FROM 6CM TO 50CM . ABOUT 33 LESS THN 15SM AND ABOUT 7 BETWEEN 30 AND 50CM. IM NOT A SAKKS MEMBER.

Hi Adeel,
Thanks for the info, I realy dont want to run away with this but the symptoms is related to KHV as well as others which I do not know. When last did you add fish and from where did they come? Sorry for all the questions. I am just trying to get some background. I am seeing someone tomorrow that could also maybe help here, Please dont panic I might well be completely wrong. Let us see what the other forum members think tonight and take it from there.
Please take care will let you know.

NEVILLE, WAYNE AND PAUL: BRIEF BACKGROUND. MY KOI POND WAS COMPLETED 1ST FEB 2010. RAN THE FILTERS FOR A WEEK AND EMPTIED ALL THE WATER 3 TIMES AND THN RAN FOR 2 WEEKS WITH NO FISH.I THEN BOUGHT 7 FISH AMONG THEM WAS THIS PARTICULAR BUTTRFLY KOI. A MONTH AFTER I THEN BOUGHT 6 SMALL ONES ABOUT 15 CM. ALL AT THAT MOMENT WAS STILL FINE. AFTER A WEEK I BOUGHT ANOTHER FEW AND UP TILL A WEEK AGO , MY BUTTERFLY KOI GAVE ME SIGNS OF BEING SLOWER. I THOUGH ITS THE SEASON CHANGE. 3 DAYS AGO I NOTICED THE EYES WERE SUNKEN IN AND SAW THE RED VENTRAL VINS WITH A FEW SCALES LIFTED. I THEN REMOVED IT . I NOTICED SMALL RED SPOTS AND CLEANED WITH PP. THAT IS BASICALLY THE DARK MARKINGS OF PP UL SEE ON PICS. I THEN PUT IT BACK IN POND BUT NOTICED THAT MY KOI LOOKS BLIND . HE THEN DIED YESTERDAY 14/04/2010.

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I cannot comment on anything else but this ... that fish looks particularly thin to me .. almost as if it starved.

Looks like gill rot.

Symptoms of gill rot:

Sunken eyes
Discoloring (see the grey spot)
Section of the gills missing
Filaments appear to stuck together
Fish lethargic

Gill rot is caused by either KHV or Flavobacterium columnare or in short Columnaris disease which is a bacterial disease.

It can also be caused primarily by parasites that goes over into this type of secondary bacterial disease. Is it you you phoned me about fish lice and ordered Dimilin from me?

If any of the other fish are affected, you should take a swob asap and send it to MDS in Durban. See the procedure and application form under the KHV heading of this forum.

Please keep us posted.

CAN ANYONE PLZ TELL ME AFTER I CLEAN A WOUND OR ULCER WITH 3% HYDO PEROXIDE, WHAT CAN I APPLY ON THE WOUND ,CAN I USE FRIERS BALSAM FROM THE CHEMIST OR NOT, OR WHAT CAN I GET FROM A LOCAL CHEMIST.

Friars Balsam is good. I seal all wound with that after I have cleaned it with Malachite green. It is nice and sticky and almost waterproof the wound, and it is cheap.

Hi Adeel

Admin gee hier die beste raad, Jy moet beslis daai vis of enige ander een wat siek lyk te laat toets vir KHV.

Jy kan jou lokale vearts vra om jou te se hoe om n swab te neem. Hulle het ook waarskynlik n courier faciliteit om jou te help om die monster na Durban te kry. Dit is belangrik dat jy dit gou uitsorteer sodat jy weet en indien positief is daar sekere prosedures wat wetlik gevolg moet word. Dan begin jy weer voor maar praat dan weer met ons vir goeie raad.

Sover dit die oop wond betref.
Ek gebruik verskeie middels en almal werk goed, n mens bou naderhand vir jou n heel lekker first aid kit vir jou visse op, en net wanneer dit mooi volledig is, word jou visse nie meer siek want dan het jy geleer dat die beste medikasie gesonde water is.

Ek gebruik F10, Vra jou vet hy sal he
potasium wat el baie sterk aanmaak
Wound powder (antibiotika poeier spesiaal gemeng)
Freirs Balm
Mercurochrome
Gentions violet
Daar is ook nou n nuwe iets op die mark wat goed is. Woundmed.

Al hierdie goed werk, Maar dit help nie jy sit jou vis terug in slegte water nie jy moet jou water gesond kry.

You must have this checked out. As Neville and Paul say this could be the start of something and it may be related to stress.

Also please keep a close watch on the other koi.

I have seen sunken eyes as a direct result of stress - continuous stress. So there could be a number of causes.

Question - I may be mistaken but in the pictures you posted there appeared to be tiny bubbles in the fins?

If so - there could be a pressure problem with the gasses in your pond and the fish has gas bubble disease.

Question: Did you purchase the koi from different sources?

Question: How did you transport them to Vryburg?

Regards,
Chris

@paul dankie vir inligting het wond mooi skoon gemaak .@neville dankie vir die inligting op medikasie. ek het my water weer getoest , al my levels is ideal. oxygen is heel wat baie ek het 2 x venturis wat heeldag hardloop.@chris i bought from diffrent sources, and transport the fish by oxygenated bags. they in the bags for about 6 hours.

adeel wrote:

CAN ANYONE PLZ TELL ME AFTER I CLEAN A WOUND OR ULCER WITH 3% HYDO PEROXIDE, WHAT CAN I APPLY ON THE WOUND ,CAN I USE FRIERS BALSAM FROM THE CHEMIST OR NOT, OR WHAT CAN I GET FROM A LOCAL CHEMIST.

Ander het al geantwoord ... jy kan ook Corega Poeier oor strooi ... die goed wat mense met valstande gebruik ... maak so lekker skil op die wond wat nogal lank aanbly in die water.

PS ... Sit bietjie shots op van jou dam en filters.

talk to me about the venturies -
how deep?
is the pump pushing very hard?
were those little air bubbles I saw in the fins?
is any air being sucked in at the lid of the pump?
Chris

@ chris ,venturi is about 20cm under water surface, doesnt push very hard ,i have a regulator controling the pressure. no air sucked into lid.. those were normal water bubbles you saw.

@neville, dankie vir jou advies en om vir my te welkom by u huis. het baie duidelikheid gekry omtrent filters en siektes.ek upload a fote vir almal. een van my visse het skielik a seer gekry maar dis baie skielik, daar was glad nie a klein seerkie nie.

Hi Adeel
Jy moet baie mooi kyk in jou dam, hierdie vis het nie n ulser of seer as sulks nie, hy het hom teen iets in jou dam beseer lyk dit vir my.

Behandel net met enige wond middel en sit friars balsem daaroor.