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Looks like chagoi
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Its a chagoi.
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PostSubject: Re: help with identification   help with identification Icon_minitimeMon Mar 08, 2010 11:16 am

Thanks Cliff and Wayne
Chagoi is non mataliic brown/ tea colour koi
The koi in the photo is grey body and greenish head. Would it not be more like a Soragoi ? . PS Wayne what do you think of the photo ?
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PostSubject: Re: help with identification   help with identification Icon_minitimeMon Mar 08, 2010 11:24 am

DAVID wrote:
Thanks Cliff and Wayne
Chagoi is non mataliic brown/ tea colour koi
The koi in the photo is grey body and greenish head. Would it not be more like a Soragoi ? . PS Wayne what do you think of the photo ?

My chagoi is brown with gin in it. Does that mean its not a chagoi?
They are supposed to be friendly and grow fast, but mine seems to be growing the slowest out of all my koi.
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PostSubject: Re: help with identification   help with identification Icon_minitimeMon Mar 08, 2010 11:25 am

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The koi in the photo is grey body and greenish head. Would it not be more like a Soragoi ? . PS Wayne what do you think of the photo ?

A Saragoi is grey/silver.

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I thought it was a trick question.. and that you wanted us to say its a midorigoi..especially since it has a slight red marking. Midorigois are olive/green kois and are always doits and sometimes have little red spots.

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Chagois are anything from a green/yellow colour to dark brown. It must have the same even colour all over its body and the scalation on the koi is very important. This koi below is still a chagoi although its green. Some people refer to it as midorgoi but as i understand it its incorrect. The word "Cha" refers to "tea" and as we know the japs have many light brown/brown yellow - green/olive - brown coloured teas.

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The photo is better but you cut its nose off. lol. but the angle is correct you now just need to work on the position of the subject.
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PostSubject: Re: help with identification   help with identification Icon_minitimeMon Mar 08, 2010 11:43 am

Stumble you must have a gin-rin chagoi.
Chagoi - Non-metallic brown koi
Gin-Rin - Koi with highly reflective gold or silver scales

Wayne on trick questions. I see you noticed the red spot. Ther is a red spot about the size of a 10 cent coin in the tail. I think he is a mix of all sorts but he's very frendly. At 40 cm
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PostSubject: Re: help with identification   help with identification Icon_minitimeMon Mar 08, 2010 12:05 pm

I need to go and checkup but it if i recall.

yellow / red is from caroteniod pigment cells and black is from malanin pigment cells. If you overlap the two types then you get diffirent shades of orange -green - bown depending on the amount of each type of cell.

So if you have red spots on a chagoi it means that in that area you have more caroteniod pigment cells in that location than malanin cells.

Colour enhancer food whether its algea (spirulina) or actual colour enhancer koi food can affect the colour of chagois aswell as it will intensivy the colour of the caroteniod cells.

Yellow + black will give you a greenish colour
red + black will give you a dark brown.

The above example is dependant on the amount of each colour cell in the area.

The older a chagoi gets the more the malinin cells intensify and so the koi gets darker aswell, so if a chagoi is already dark brown at a young age it will propably turn black with age.

Its very simular to painting techniques used by artists. Monet for example used this method of painting. If you look closely at one of his paintings it will be completely dotty but from far away you dont see it.

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PostSubject: Re: help with identification   help with identification Icon_minitimeTue Mar 09, 2010 10:52 am

Hi David

It looks like a Chagoi to me.
If it has a blueish grey body and green head and pectorals, it might just be an Ochiba Shigure with a bad pattern.

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PostSubject: Re: help with identification   help with identification Icon_minitimeTue Mar 09, 2010 11:28 am

I do not see any silver/grey, and I agree, it is a Chagoi.

My agent in Japan offered me this lovely Chagoi this morning.

Hirasawa Yonsai Gr Chocolate Chagoi 71 cm / Nett price 250.000 >Female.

Bit too much for my pocket at this stage but a lovely Chagoi.

Perfect bodyshape, perfect netting and good ginrin for such a large fish.

Chagoi's to me are a bit dull, and therefore I love the ginrin version of the variety, just to bring a bit of bling into it, and it shows the net pattern so much better.

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