Have not seen in any off the shops....can anybody help me?

Pick n Pay Hypermarket sells shogun.

so does builders

Two places I have never would have considered looking at, will compare price and ingredients to what I am feeding now.

Hi,

Wonderboom Aquarium (Pta West) and Ichiban koi (Pta East) have Shogun.
Koicare in midrand also stock it.

If you need any numbers or have any problems please contact me.

The packets in Pick & Pay and Builders warehous do not reflect the new formulation inside. If you want that info - please contact me.

Chris

And to the hobbyists in the Cape, please be advised that we stock the new formula Shogun.

Koicare in Midrand, thats in Bluehills next to teh nursery right?

DO NOT purchase from Builder's Warehouse or Pick 'n Pay!! I made that mistake and it's not the new formula. My fish didn't even want to eat the old formula after they've have the new one.

PS. I can now also get hold of Shogun food here in the P.E. area for anyone that's interested. MUCH MUCH CHEAPER that in any retail shop around.

Chris Maritz wrote:

DO NOT purchase from Builder's Warehouse or Pick 'n Pay!! I made that mistake and it's not the new formula. My fish didn't even want to eat the old formula after they've have the new one.

PS. I can now also get hold of Shogun food here in the P.E. area for anyone that's interested. MUCH MUCH CHEAPER that in any retail shop around.

Chris, i guess it depends on how old their stock is...I have bought from Pick 'n Pay Hyper in Brackenfell and it definatly the new formula. They usually dont have more than 10 packets on the shelf.

just seen at the Builderswarehouse in Sunninghill, but they only had one size pellets, does it come in bigger and smaller pellet sizes?

No adi, Shogun is one formula (Hi Protein) and one size only.

een if pelets small the big fish wil take it? struggled with taht in the past switched to QualiKoi and their large pellets because of that. If the pellets are to small the big koi just simply give up....

No, it comes in two sizes, 3mm and in 6 or 7 mm pellets. I have both but can not remember if the larger pellets is 6 or 7 mm.

With the smaller pellets my fish just scoop and scoop until they have a whole lot in their mouths then swim off to 'chew' or whatever it is they do.

Hmm yes that would work for me the 6-7mm ons.....Builders only had the small stuff

Admin wrote:

No, it comes in two sizes, 3mm and in 6 or 7 mm pellets. I have both but can not remember if the larger pellets is 6 or 7 mm.

Oh, i did not know that. So Chris is now making two sizes?

well, my pond is 12m by 3.5m in size, if teh pellets are too small, and one of teh big fish "rams" into my feeding ring they scatter all over and they give up. Have connected a clear plastic tube in a ring, put the food in there, and it stays put.

wow, that is a big pond. Thats a good idea about the ring.

I control the location of my pellets with the air diffuser that runs on a timer in sync with my koi feeder.

The air diffuser comes online 5min before my feeder drops the pellets. The air stays on for an hour then goes offline. The venturi and jet on that side of the pond then pushes the remaining pellets (if there are any) to the other side of the pond where they then get sucked into the skimmer.

So my feeding location is always clean of debris on the water surface before feedings. I got this tip from a malysian koi keeper that believes that koi should eat from a clean table. I like the idea cause it prevents the koi from eating old pellets or what ever else that might be floating around their feeding spot like the seeds from the brizzillian pepper in my yard that looks like small little red pellets.

The updraft from air diffuser and the turbulance from the venturi and jet really makes them work for their food.

Wow Wayneb, thats quite a set up.
I prefer to hand feed my fish so they are tame, but you seem to have worked this out very well, also I cant imagine my fish leaving anything. lol

I always wondered about the intelligence of koi. When they see me they know 'food' so they do have some intelligence. Will be interesting to know if they get excited when the diffuser comes on - do they associate that with food coming. Have you ever watched?

Lol, i actually have watched them. When the diffuser switches on they are like little children huddeling below the feeder waiting...i promise you it looks so funny.

But they deffinatly have some brains cause the diffuser does switch on during the day just for 15min or so every 3 hours to make sure that the water its mixed and its part of my pond maintenance and they ignore that. So they associate feeding tme with the lights being on, diffuser running and it being evening.

I do feed them myself when i go and sit outside, no by hand tho. I wont be so lucky. I prefer the feeder to do the main job of feeding, that way i am sure they get the correct amount of food spread throughout the evening and the feeder wont get sidetracked like me and forget about the kois and then try and compensate by dropping alot of koi food in the pond at once. Its only R600 for this petfeeder. Proper koi feeders are way to expensive, they start at around R3000.

I actually started feeding the kois with his method in 2008 when i got the feeder. Bobby and Julie from koi care introduced me to % of body weight feeding plans altough julie does not agree with me feeding many times a day or at night. My feeder feeds them at 4am, 6a, 8am, 6pm, 8pm 10pm, 12pm. As winter approuches i simply take one feeding away every now again from the latest hour and earliest hour. So their feeding times become less and less and so does the food they consume.

I've tried both the 3mm and 6mm Shogun pallets.
Has anyone else found that the 3mm pallets doesn't float as well as the 6mm pallets? Roughly about 20% - 25% of the 3mm pallets you throw in the water tends to sink on contact... For this reason all my fish (big & small) gets fed the 6mm pallets.