Die vergadering het laas week onder andere 'n alternatiewe datum vir die Weskaap 2010 skou bespreek. Die judges het ook genoem dat ons dalk te vroeg geskou het en dat die visse nie "gefinish" was nie.
Durban skou vind ook einde Julie plaas

Wat is die gevoel (voor en nadele) om die Wes Kaap se skou in Augustus 2010 te hou?

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Please voice your opinion on having the Western Cape Show during August 2010

Ons May skou was die wonderwerk tussen twee reen naweke aan beide kant.

Koi shows should not only be about when the koi will look at their best. A koi show is also an opportunity to develop the hobby and introduce it to the public, and give an opportunity to the hobbiest to do buy koi.

During August, the immune system of the koi is at its lowest. A lot of people do not want to add new koi during winter because of the low immunity.

It is also better to buy koi at least two weeks before winter, to give them an opportunity to settle into their new environment before winter, while their immunity has not slowed down yet.

The immunity aspect goes for the show fish and the dealer's fish for sale.

I have encountered that the interest in koi in general are much lower during the winter months. Sales are much lower during winter. Shows are not about dealers, however, without them, the shows can not be held. The more money they make during shows, the more they will be prepared to pay for stands and sponsors, and they can not be neglected.

Much more people will attend the show while it is still fairly warm.

During May, June, July and August, you are running a fairly large risk to have rain, which will keep visitors away and be quite inconvenient to the participants.

In view thereof, I believe April is the best time, but not during school holidays when people might be away on holiday.

The best weather in the Cape is during March and April. More people from other areas might come to the show because of the nice climate during March, April.

Furthermore, the 2010 soccer world cup activities should also be considered.

Some very valid points posted by admin.

Please check rainfall reports on web to assist with opinion

http://www.weathersa.co.za/Climat/Climstats/CapeTownStats.jsp

http://www.freewater.co.za/Cape%20Town%20Rainfall%20Patterns.htm

Herewith some more info from the judges re the logistics of the SA show schedule.

1. Southern Cape Show - March
2. Free State Show - April
3. Gauteng Show - March/April
4. Western Cape - May ??
4. KZN - July

Are we then stuck with the risk of rainy May? or dare I say September with more risks as tabled by admin.

The WCC would prefer to provide the Dealer with a good Selling opportunity and also make sure that the risk of the Koi on show is well managed.

Any other suggestions?

I believe that the health of the koi should over rule any argument. In April I still had water temps of over 28 degrees. We also had some heat spells where the day temp ran over 34 degrees in Cape Town. A koi show with water temps this high will result a some fatalities and we are going to run into some serious trouble.

We are in a double wammy here. We want to have a koi show when the koi dispaly their best colours and when the skin is at it's best. This means lower water temperatures of around 15 - 16 degrees for at least one month leading up to the show. We also have much better water quality in the unfiltered show ponds at these lower temperatures as the koi arn't that active. Other side of the coin is that their immune system is low in the winter. However I believe this statement relevant for areas where people actually experience real winter. I don't know the answer but perhaps a koi health expert can help here - At which temp is the immune system of the koi at it's lowest and do we actually run a risk by showing it?

Shows are very stressfull for koi and they will always have some form of reaction to the stress. When we had the show in August last year I had no serious issues afterwards and with the water warming up it was easy to deal with a few cuts and bruises here and there. The day temp was also really pleasant for the visitors and the koi were at their best.

So for August Spring is around the corner and I find that people are more interested in koi leading up to the summer that going into the winter. So it actually makes more sense for a dealer than a May show. I agree June/July is a no no for us as we will get just as wet as our koi.

Pending the view of a health expert I think mid to late August is a good option for us.

We run the same risk of rain in August as we do in May.

Hi Ernst, I could not trace more current data on web, will look again, should you find more recent information please post.

We actually need the average amount of days rain per month as a good yardstick for better risk management.

Should we get it wrong it will be a sad day for Dealers and Show members.

Hi All

If I may, all the Japans shows in Nigatta are hold in severe winter temps and there are never problems. All that the koi keepers should do is to buy some waders to keep them self’s dry. We buy ours from the outdoor warehouse the cost is ± R500.00. The ideal will be to hold the show in the coldest month that normally doesn’t have rain. The lower the temp the better the koi will do on the show related to health and looks.

Hi,

Quote:

The following is an extract from the book, The Interpet manual of Koi Health written by two of probably the most well known koi health experts in the world, Keith Holmes and Tony Pitman(MD of Koi Waterbarn Ltd):

All I want to say at this stage is this “KOI IS NOT COLDWATER FISH” and I disagree with the two Gentlemen mentioned above.

Koi is ECTOTHERMS.


We could discuss this point in another forum topic.

Again more valuable points have been added to the debate.

I am sure we all agree that the extreme heat and extreme cold will be negative for any Show. The amount of show visitors is also a very important factor for Dealer sales, to grow the hobby and to balance the show books.
The WCKC would like to find a happy media for all the role players to take part in the 2010 Show. Herewith some stats off the main contributors on the 2009 Show. (Final figures are not yet available)

As a percentage towards Show income
Show Ponds 32%
Dealers 34%
Visitors / Braai 34%

Due to the expenditure on the marketing budget to provide a better platform for dealers and Koi keepers and future shows we are looking at a possible 25 - 35% loss of revenue.

Please spare a thought for the many Koi keepers that was involved on a voluntary basis (without pay) to make this show a huge success and a wonderful platform for 2010 for all to enjoy. It will be and injustice if I do not acknowledge the active role played by Christie from Cape Koi Aquarium at our meetings with sponsors and with the set-up and breakdown of the show.

Having said this and looking at the SAKKS Show calendar we can theoretically only apply our minds for the 2010 Show, to earliest May and latest August, September.

To balance the 2010 books the Dealers, Keepers and Visitors are all important to achieve our goal of success for all. We urge more Dealers and hobbyist to join the process of planning the 2010 show.

Looking forward to more pointers about the 2010 Show Date. Remember this is your show and your Koi Sales,we need for all to participate in this process with an open mind and to buy-inn, once all the issues have been debated and final date set for the 2010 and future WC Shows.
From the committee point of view we will need good support from Dealers, Keepers and Visitors to justify and balance WCKS books. The alternative would be a major sponsor. Any takers? LOL

Bobby

Paul from Koi Online has challenged me to visit the Durban National Show on the 25th of July 2009 with my Camera. I feel tempted to go. At an estimate of R 2500.00 for Airfare, self catering accommodation and sharing car hire, is any one interested? Prices to be confirmed at time of booking.

Someone should tell the Japanese they are doing it all wrong.

Jaco,

baie goeie punt wat jy daar maak!

Hi Jaco

This is my point exactly, there is the Japanese, they invented koi and are practicing the keeping of koi for hundreds of years. Here come the South Africans and the clever westerners that don’t keep koi for more then sixty years yet and they will tell the Japanese that they are doing it wrong.

This is typical westerners, we know it all.

PLEASE DON’T ALWAYS BELIEVE WHAT YOU READ!