Hi Wayne, thanks for the reply.
I would classify your last photo as a Kikusui, because it is metallic.
A kumonryu is never metallic. The metallic version of a Kumonryu is a Kikokuryu.
Even the first one looks a bit metallic to me and I would rather say it is also a Kikusui, but a bit more difficult to see from the photo. However, it might be a Beni Kumonryu, but I doubt that.
A Beni Kumonryu will be non metallic with black and more of an orange red. When it looses the black, you can still see the indication thereof.
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