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PostSubject: Pond 7 First Selection Kohaku.   Pond 7 First Selection Kohaku. Icon_minitimeTue Feb 26, 2013 7:06 pm

Hi Guys
Today we did first selection of the second breeding Kohaku. They are between 4cm and 12cm and two and a half months old. Here is a few samples of the 1500 babies we selected and will be culled down to 300 over time. Very Happy

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Again sorry for the bad quality of the photos but they jump a lot and its taken during culling so it is done next to the mud ponds. Embarassed

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PostSubject: Re: Pond 7 First Selection Kohaku.   Pond 7 First Selection Kohaku. Icon_minitimeWed Feb 27, 2013 7:03 am

ek sien myne se rooi is ook meer orange raak dit meer rooier later
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PostSubject: Re: Pond 7 First Selection Kohaku.   Pond 7 First Selection Kohaku. Icon_minitimeWed Feb 27, 2013 7:38 am

Yes Vossie as the fish get older the red goes deeper red. Very Happy

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ek het `n mooi three step hier wat ek dop hou
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PostSubject: Re: Pond 7 First Selection Kohaku.   Pond 7 First Selection Kohaku. Icon_minitimeWed Feb 27, 2013 3:06 pm

Lovely!!

I just love koi pictures. I'm nuts. My whole family makes fun of me.

I could just scare at them and try to take in every detail.

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Hi Koigal
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed the photos Very Happy Hope you saw a fish or two that is not to bad.

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PostSubject: Re: Pond 7 First Selection Kohaku.   Pond 7 First Selection Kohaku. Icon_minitimeSat Mar 02, 2013 9:34 am

Waw! Tommy!
You have done much better than expected for a first spawn....infact you have done fantastically well
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PostSubject: Re: Pond 7 First Selection Kohaku.   Pond 7 First Selection Kohaku. Icon_minitimeSat Mar 02, 2013 3:26 pm

Can you show the parent koi? Did you have One female and two males? Were they all kohaku?

I'm thinking it was a specific spawning due to the hi quality you achieved.
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PostSubject: Re: Pond 7 First Selection Kohaku.   Pond 7 First Selection Kohaku. Icon_minitimeSat Mar 02, 2013 3:51 pm

Giselle.
Tommy has started commercial breeding. This is his first spawn. I think his results are fantastic, since he used very high quality parents.
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Hi koigal
Will take some photos of the parents during time. Yes it a selective spawning with one female and two males and all Kohaku. All from top bloodlines in Japan. Thank you, lets hope the Hi stays good. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Pond 7 First Selection Kohaku.   Pond 7 First Selection Kohaku. Icon_minitimeSun Mar 03, 2013 7:02 am

Hi Neli
Thank you for the compliment. Yes, the last spawning was our first attempt to breed for the commercial and professional market, so we all hope for some fish to show at harvest day. This is totally different from hobbyist breeding, its hard work and they all need special attention. So to produce good fish of top quality is not easy and I highly doubt if it will happen first time around. But I enjoy it tremendously Very Happy To establish ones own bloodlines takes anything from six to twelve years. Basketball Basketball

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I know Tommy, and even then if you are like Toshio...you will continue refining it.
But I still feel that you have very good results.
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PostSubject: Re: Pond 7 First Selection Kohaku.   Pond 7 First Selection Kohaku. Icon_minitimeSun Mar 03, 2013 2:39 pm

To create your own bloodline does that mean you breed parent with it's grown babies to keep it the same bloodline? Or is it siblings breeding together or both?

Does that make the results more predictable and better? Is that why it takes so long, so the babies mature enough to breed?

This if very interesting to me. I've never yet spawned parents with child or sibling with sibling.

So how does a bloodline develop?????

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That is called back crossing...But if done too much... genetic weakness/ abnormalities can develop.
Like Toshio did cross koi with magoi...he had no pattern at all in the first generation...it took a lots of back crossing and years...and line crossing for the line to be established...
With koi it is like a roulette...it is very unpredictable...Like Dainichi's line was started by accident...
You can breed two grand champs and get nothing...those are bought for publicity purposes mostly.
Some time you will see ugly oyagoi...that produce the best babies...
It takes time, for a blood line to develop...record keeping...evaluation of the performance of different pares...mixing for different traits...that is why you see the japs with a counter every time they cull.
They say there are very few pure blood lines in Japan...one of them being the original matsunosuke line...the rest is a mixture of different farm names progeny.
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Looking gooddddd Tommy.

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