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PostSubject: first time treating sick koi. HELP!   first time treating sick koi. HELP! Icon_minitimeSat Jan 26, 2013 11:52 am

Hi all, I have recent accuired a baby tuncho, who seemed very healthy at the time and two weeks down the line she has raised scales on a patch on her side and some sort of disease or virus eating her rectal area, she is in quarentine and I have treated the water with a product called aquadene no.4, gill, fungus parasite special. How effective is this product n is this the right treatment that I am using?
The bottle doesn't give a very good discription on how often do u treat the water or whether I should do a water change, whether u can feed during treatment? Would appreciate if anyone can advise me on this,

Another problem I have is mosquito larvae growing all over my water feature, is this good or bad, can this harm my fish?
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PostSubject: Re: first time treating sick koi. HELP!   first time treating sick koi. HELP! Icon_minitimeSat Jan 26, 2013 3:39 pm

hi there and welcome to the forum.

Firstly, the mozzie larvae is not a biggie at all

next, the issue may be more with your environment and this is nnow showing thru the fish. Tell us more about your pond, what your filtration setup is, how any litres, how many fish you have etc.

Did you quarantine the tancho before adding it to your pond?

The raised scales on one side could be just due to a bruise, thats if its just on the one side........if the scales appear all over, then the fish possibly has dropsy, which is a condition where the kidneys can no longer balance the sal content etc withiin the fish's body etc.

If dropsy then your only bet would be to bath the fish in a strong salt solution of 7% or more, hopefully someone else can confirm this...I have never done it so not entirely sure.....onyl thing is I have only heard of one individual saving a dropsy fish, that was Colin Hunt.....other than that very difficult to turn them around.

Maybe some pics....the rectal area sounds like its an ulcer......depending on the size of the fish I may look at injecting it will baytril......however pics are the first process you need to follow here and then there will be mor eadvice to follow for sure.

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Your problem sounds like a bacterial problem. I don't know the product Aquadene, but it is probably Malachite Green based if it is for fungus/parasites. If so, it will not do much about the bacterial problem. With bacterial problems, if the fish is worth it, you should test which bacteria to really know what anti-biotic to treat with. You could send a swab to Pathcare. A good shot in the dark will be Baytril as Cliff suggested ("depending on the size"). If the fish is still very small (below 20 cm), I would not inject at all. Your best off the shelf treatment (shot in the dark) would be Potassium Permanganate and a high dosage of salt. 5kg/1000 liters(0.5% solution). An alternative if it is Dropsy would be Acriflavine and salt, but as Cliff mentioned, Dropsy is almost untreatable.

@Cliff, I believe that 7% salt solution means 7kg/100 liters and it will kill the fish immediately. You probably meant 0.7%.

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@Cliff, I believe that 7% salt solution means 7kg/100 liters and it will kill the fish immediately. You probably meant 0.7%.

Of course that is what I meant.....was just testing you....hahaha......oooops!!! afro
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I think salt sollution works for parasites. I've tried with bacterial infection and it didn't work for me.

We use Clove Oil to permenantly sleep them here. about 25 drops for every two buckets of water. We buy it at vitamin stores. You can re-vive them after you have examined the situation or leave them sleeping. Which ever the situation calls for.





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I tried posting pics but it says file too large, well my setup isn't large, nothing compared to what u guys have.... So here goes, I have a 900L pond, 2x 2000L/h pumps, 2x 25L biofilters 2x 9w uv sterelizers. Petricia is a 25cm aka bekko, then I have chuck n nate who are 10cm utsuris n kobie is a 10cm kohaku sanke, the tuncho(blair) is like 5cm, I know she's not worth going through all the trouble of treating but I'd rather learn sooner rather than later n besides I really want to grow her out, I never owned a tuncho before
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your fish have parasites because you don`t give garlic
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I do but should I give it to them with every feed?
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Hi Guys
Could somebody please explain to us this Garlic story. I have never given garlic to my koi. Is it crushed garlic and do you mix it with the food? How much and how frequently must this be done? I find this very interesting.
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I have moved this thread from Filtration to Health/deceases

On the garlic issue, I mix fresh crushed garlic with boiled sweet potato. The Sweet potato is good nutrition and makes the white whiter and the garlic keeps the parasites away.

Please see various posts on the garlic topic at http://koionline.forumotion.com/t119-garlic-and-olive-oil?highlight=garlic and please continue from there or start a new threat under Food/Nutrition.

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Thanks Paul
Found it. I am going to try this
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