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PostSubject: Sakuma Kohaku No1 March 2012 Tosai (Sakura Koi Farm)   Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:58 pm

This is my favourite from the lot......I just love this fish, from the moment I first saw it I had to have it!!!

around 26cm's

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PostSubject: Re: Sakuma Kohaku No1 March 2012 Tosai (Sakura Koi Farm)   Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:15 pm

just amazing Sad Sad Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Sakuma Kohaku No1 March 2012 Tosai (Sakura Koi Farm)   Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:25 pm

The body is fantastic...and that is what counts most in shows...Nice thick odome...but has a bit of a mini skirt...
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PostSubject: Re: Sakuma Kohaku No1 March 2012 Tosai (Sakura Koi Farm)   Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:42 pm

Awesome Kohaku Cliff ! Look at that PHAT tail and a mouth that scream FEED ME! I Like the pattern on this one a lot. Sharp kiwa, good sashi and very nice skin from what I can see from the photo. Once again a very good body for such a small fish. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Sakuma Kohaku No1 March 2012 Tosai (Sakura Koi Farm)   Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:52 pm

Very good looking Kohaku. Its body tell me that is not going to get big but it has the qualities where it matters. I expect a big bodied round koi at 50cm with this one.


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PostSubject: Re: Sakuma Kohaku No1 March 2012 Tosai (Sakura Koi Farm)   Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:52 pm

Very nice Cliff, nice body and excellent white. I would like to see a better photo when they settled.
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PostSubject: RE:   Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:10 pm

I just want to share my opinion.

This is just a "pattern fish".

I don't think this is a good body shape for a tosai.

And it looks like male to me from the photos.
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PostSubject: RE:   Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:11 pm

I just want to share my opinion.

This is just a "pattern fish".

I don't think this is a good body shape for a tosai.

And it looks like male to me from the photos.
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PostSubject: Re: Sakuma Kohaku No1 March 2012 Tosai (Sakura Koi Farm)   Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:09 am

i like it cliff

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PostSubject: Re: Sakuma Kohaku No1 March 2012 Tosai (Sakura Koi Farm)   Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:57 am

Nice quality kohaku, Cliff-very appealing. Hope it will bring you much joy.
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PostSubject: Re: Sakuma Kohaku No1 March 2012 Tosai (Sakura Koi Farm)   Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:49 am

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Very nice Kohaku,good body shape and lovely pattern Very Happy
Your photos don't do the fish justice scratch once they have settled and out of quarantine you must take new pics Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Sakuma Kohaku No1 March 2012 Tosai (Sakura Koi Farm)   Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:26 am

Is it a tosai Cliff?
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PostSubject: Re: Sakuma Kohaku No1 March 2012 Tosai (Sakura Koi Farm)   Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:58 am

phew...interesting comments!

I was in a hurry to take pics as wanted to get them settled in ASAP

I will be taking pics in a few months again, rather to see how progress is then and will repost.

This fish has a commanding presence for a small fish.

I am hearing it's going to be a big fish from one person then a small fish from another.....rather going to leave this one till December now and post then....thanks again
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PostSubject: Re: Sakuma Kohaku No1 March 2012 Tosai (Sakura Koi Farm)   Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:01 am

There is a difference between big meaning length wise and big bodied. I am with sas on this one. It is not a bad quality fish, actually very good looking but i think that it is going to balloon. Let see in a few months. Genetics can be a bi#@h...like i have a genetic trade that i inherited to have a nice round body...not much i can do about it. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Sakuma Kohaku No1 March 2012 Tosai (Sakura Koi Farm)   Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:00 pm

I don't agree with you guys, Wayne as you say Genetics plays a big part, I have kept back fish from the same parents as this fish ,with the same big body, and they have all turned out very big fish with stunning bodies. if I remember correctely Quintons first kohaku he got from me had the same body and parents, and what did it do , it grew like hell [ 20+cms ] in 6 months [over winter] plus won grand champ at the Cape baby koi show. So let's wait and see what happens.

IF it turns out like a rugby ball Embarassed Embarassed I will organize Cliff 20 "FREE" lapdances afro afro afro lol! lol! lol! lol! affraid affraid

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PostSubject: Re: Sakuma Kohaku No1 March 2012 Tosai (Sakura Koi Farm)   Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:11 pm

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IF it turns out like a rugby ball Embarassed Embarassed I will organise Cliff 20 "FREE" lapdances afro afro afro lol! lol! lol! lol! affraid affraid

Costa, that is not going to help Cliff much, he will have something else that will resemble a rugby ball. Laughing lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Sakuma Kohaku No1 March 2012 Tosai (Sakura Koi Farm)   Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:51 pm

Hi Wayne and sas.
You guys obviously don't know the Sakuma bloodline.... or maybe you were just cross with some one when you judged Cliff's fish... lol! lol!

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PostSubject: Re: Sakuma Kohaku No1 March 2012 Tosai (Sakura Koi Farm)   Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:01 pm

Well, that is my opinion at this point in time... Opinion asked, opinion given. I was not negative about Cliffs fish, i highlighted the good and the bad.

wayneb from http://koionline.forumotion.com/t2899p15-shiro-usturi wrote:
If one asks for opinions about a fish, you have to accept that 1) You asked for it 2) The comments might not all be good 3) the evaluation happen from a photo so its not going to be 100% accurate and 4) Its just peoples opinions in the end.

The only opinion that counts in the end is your own.



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PostSubject: Re: Sakuma Kohaku No1 March 2012 Tosai (Sakura Koi Farm)   Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:40 pm

costa j wrote:

IF it turns out like a rugby ball Embarassed Embarassed I will organize Cliff 20 "FREE" lapdances afro afro afro lol! lol! lol! lol! affraid affraid

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PostSubject: Re: Sakuma Kohaku No1 March 2012 Tosai (Sakura Koi Farm)   Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:43 pm

Wayne, I enjoy your feedback and comments.....as well as anyone elses

I know it is difficult to judge a fish from a photo, I am sure if I posted a video it would be a different story.

Like a said, all comments welcome.....this is how we learn.

When I post progress pics in a few months we will have a better idea then
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PostSubject: Re: Sakuma Kohaku No1 March 2012 Tosai (Sakura Koi Farm)   Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:05 pm

All said their parts. All I have to say is that this is one of the best kohaku's I've seen in a LONG LONG time.

Given the proper care & water this one will reach 70cm in no more than 2 years. If it keeps that quality it'll be a champion.
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PostSubject: Re: Sakuma Kohaku No1 March 2012 Tosai (Sakura Koi Farm)   Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:25 pm

A total side track to this topic but do you know how tricky it is to get a tosai to 60cm in good condition in a concrete pond. 60-70cm Is also not easy and i think the show entries proof that. So we generally say that a koi will look x and y at 70cm but most never reach that. If a koi bought as tosai reach 60cm and it still has good condition then that is a achievement in itself. I have a Asagi that is now hitting 80cm this year that i bought at 15cm in 2006. It has taken 6 years to get it to 80cm. Almost lost it on 2008 due to a single ulcer on its abdomen that i never saw. It was 4cm in diameter and at least 1cm deep.
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PostSubject: Re: Sakuma Kohaku No1 March 2012 Tosai (Sakura Koi Farm)   Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:44 am

Hi Cliff

I like enjoy and lets see the developement as time goes by .

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PostSubject: Re: Sakuma Kohaku No1 March 2012 Tosai (Sakura Koi Farm)   Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:45 am

Damn I love this fish......when I caught it this morning it is just so different to all the others...the body feel is so solid and muscular.

I love it!!





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PostSubject: Re: Sakuma Kohaku No1 March 2012 Tosai (Sakura Koi Farm)   Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:04 am

Cliff
You see i know yuor ability and this is how to build a collection .

It is looking very good .

Please take it to baby show.

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