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Louise Meintjes



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PostSubject: White Spot or Flexibacter columnare ? Please help   White Spot or Flexibacter columnare ? Please help Icon_minitimeSun Sep 19, 2010 3:21 pm

Hi Everyone
I am new and stupid. I bought a house with a stunning pond and wanted to replace the goldfish with Koi. I finely found a place that was selling some baby butterfly koi. I bought 20 small fish and took them home. I noticed 2 fish had white spots on them. (the one fish had one spot on the tail fin and the other 3 spots spread over the head, tail fin and dorsal fin) Pet shop said I must add salt and Metholine Blue. I did this last Friday a week ago. The one fish seems to have recovered as the spot is gone as of today. The other still has the 3 spots. I have been reading on the net and now am completely confused as to what it actually is. Can someone please help this dommie? I love Koi and would love to learn more. The fish I have is very small, between 3-6cm. I have left the goldfish in the pond for now as they are extremely large and tame.
I found out that this is the worse time of the year to buy fish from one of the workers after I had already bought the fish... hahaha.. They could have told me earlier. Anyway this was my mistake as I should have done my homework beforehand. Now to remedy.
I have treated the hole pond. All is blue and salted. I am thinking or taking out some water and replacing it with fresh water, but am concerned that this will dilute the salt and Metholine blue and thus effect the overall treatment. Can you please help me with this... I have also noticed that some of the fish have tears in their dorsal, tail and other fins but can detect nothing more. They all look happy and content. They are all eating well and come to the surface the moment a come near the pond. I feed small amounts several times a day and they vigorously chomp up every bit the moment it lands. I have also bought some blood worm that I give once or twice a week. I have not been able to get hold of any brine shrimp at this stage, because I have been told they are breeding at the moment.
Your input would really be appreciated.
The dommie living in Cape-Town from Jo-burg.
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I will leave it to the experts to answer you on butterfly koi. You will find that the Cape hobbyist will forgive you quickly for staying in Jo-burg, as long as you will be keeping Koi White Spot or Flexibacter columnare ? Please help Icon_lol in Cape Town and embrace the WeeePeee. Which area have you moved too White Spot or Flexibacter columnare ? Please help Icon_question
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Hi Bobby

Hope I am replying on the right place since I dont now how to navigate the site yet. I live in Chirsmar, Bellville.
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Hi Loiuse.... thats close enough for a few hobbyist to assist you.

You should post more info on water volume and filtration as this would be very helpfull, also if possible post a picture of pond and effected Koi.

Any medication is very much depended on water volume.

At Cape Garden Centre in Joostenbergvlakte just off the N1, you will find Cape Koi Aquarium that could be of assistance.
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Hi Bobby
I will take some pics and post them. Pond is only 1210 liters and I dont have any idea what kind of pump etc its got, but I will go make a turn in joosternbergvlake and go find out some more. Very Happy thanks a mill..
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Just for the record......here in Jo’burg we don’t classify Longfin (Butterfly) as Koi!!!!!

The pond is too small to keep Koi, but it will be ok as a Quarantine Pond. Even with small Koi you are overstocked!

I really don’t think the spots on your fish is anything serious. Small fish like that would have died of “white spot” or Columnaris disease already.
The above-mentioned diseases shown up as small white marks all over the body.

What you have is possible Carp pox
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Hoes, vat jy nou die wind uit my seile. Shocked
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Hi Pieter. Hoeveel visse "koi" sal n gesonde hoeveelheid wees vir my pond? Ek sal dit graag wil regstel! Ek hat genoem dat ek mar n dommie is en nog leer. lol Jou hulp word wardeer. Ek het darm n paar koi ook. Ek sal so gou moontlik van die goudvisse ontslae raak. Ek het reeds n petshop in Brackenfell wat gese het hul sal die "monster"s vat. Ek het n baie groot swembad wat ek wil verander in n pond, maar ek is nog besig om inligting in te samel en wil nie nou groot duur visse koop nie . Ek leer nog... Idea Dus het ek reeds n paar flaters gemaak... "sug"
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Jammer om te se.............................daar is net plek vir 1 Koi Sad
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Hi Louise, Ek moet saam met Pieter stem... Longfin Koi is ook nie my gunsteling nie, een Koi van 55-60cm per 1000lt water...... myne is tans 1 koi per 4000lt water...... minimum dam grootte sal vir my 10 000lt wees en minimum diepte 1.2 alhoewel 1.5 tot 1.8m beter sal wees......my hudige dam 2.3m diep a.g.v. beperkte spasie en ek wou meer volume water he....tans 32000lt

Ek stel voor, baie navorsing en besoek baie koi damme, jy is welkom indien julle in Malmesbury se rigting is.

Kyk bietjie daar onder die dambou onderwerp op die forum, daar is baie idees, daar sal ook idees wees om swembad om te skakel.

Die vavorsing is lekker en leersaam, alhowel ons hobbyist nogal baie kan verskil, maar dit is deel van die uitdaging, daar is baie metodes wat toegepas kan word, afhangende van julle doelstellings en begroting White Spot or Flexibacter columnare ? Please help Icon_mad .
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Hi Louise

Unfortunately it is true, your current pond ids just too small to keep koi.
Koi need n bit of room and space unlike goldfish.

I would suggest, if you really want a koi pond to contact someone like Colin Hunt on his cell no 0827725990 and let him come and see if he can,t build you a new pond or then convert your pool, he is a knowledgeable building contractor in your area.

As for the current pond keep the gold fish and plant some water plants to create a nice garden feature.

Don't know what filtration you have if any but methylene blue is no longer the preferred method for pond treatments. Stay away from pet shops when you want to do koi. Rather contact a reputable koi dealer and there are a couple in the Cape to give you advice.
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