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PostSubject: Bag and box versus transport tank   Wed May 19, 2010 11:00 pm

I have always used plastic bags filled with pure oxygen to transport my koi. With the Baby koi show coming up, I was thinking of maybe using my 700 liter plastic container with lid instead. I have the container, a bakkie, an extra battery, an invertor, an airpump and airstones for the use of a tank already.

What do you think is the best way to transport koi. Bag and box or a transport tank and why?

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PostSubject: Re: Bag and box versus transport tank   Wed May 19, 2010 11:41 pm

Hi Admin

I can assure you that the use of a container far outweighs bags

I used a container this time. I had 17 fish in there of various sizes and the speed at which one can operate is just wonderful.
Things to remember though.
You cannot float your fish to adjust to temp
you must replace the water when you collect your fish again, my water went very bad fortunately my son and staff realized this and replaced it.
I added some salt in the container all this splashes on your vehicle and it is not good.
Make sure about your battery having enough power left to last till home you don't want to run out of air.
I also just added a bit of acriflavine for the return trip which lasted about 45 Mins so just returned the fish, no problems to date.

Otherwise definitely container every time
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PostSubject: Re: Bag and box versus transport tank   Thu May 20, 2010 9:14 am

Hi Paul
As Neville said container over bags and boxes.
This is the third time i took fish to a show.
The first 2 times my fish were bagged and boxed, has got its advantages but very time consuming.
This year i decided to use a container ,and what a pleasure it was .i used a 90lt 12v air pump connected to my battery with large air stone.
Do not use the hard plastic tanks as fish can hurt themselves when you brake and they become jumpy,get the blue plastic one that looks like the vat and is enclosed with a zip .
I also added some acraflavine when leaving the show.
As noticed at the show many of the guys used the transport tank ,its less stress on the larger koi as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Bag and box versus transport tank   Thu May 20, 2010 9:28 am

Hi Paul
I agree with the transport container, in my view it should be a PVC bag hanging in a frame to soften the bumps and stops. The secret is so fill the container to the top to stop the water from creating havoc when one stops and start and in so doing damage fins.

You will have to consider our WCBKS site, you cannot get close to the pond with a vehicle.

Well I am late already, need to leave to carry on with the show set-up
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PostSubject: Re: Bag and box versus transport tank   Thu May 20, 2010 10:24 am

Thanks for all the replies.

I see that there was a long discussion on Koi-Bito back in 2007 on the subject. http://www.koi-bito.com/forum/best-bito/4519-transporting-koi-show.html with no clear answer. More or less a 60/40 vote in favor of the transport tank. Both have it's pro's and con's.

I suppose it also depends a lot on the distance, amount of fish, as Bobby mentioned, the accessibility of the vehicle to your pond and destination pond, the type of tank etc.

It is difficult with my setup to pump water from the ponds to a transport tank due to vehicle accessibility and surely it would be better transporting the koi in the same water it came from with the same pH. With bags, it is easy to transport each batch of fish with their own source water.

My tank is made out of plastic and not one of those canvass type containers and surely a bump on the side of it would be worst than a bump against a cardboard box?

I also feel that the ability to float the fish for a while to alter the temperature gradually as mentioned by Anver is quite important, especially if you drive a long way with possible subsequent large differences in temperature?

On the other hand, the ammonia exposure during transport in a transport tank will be much less.


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PostSubject: Re: Bag and box versus transport tank   Thu May 20, 2010 3:13 pm

For koi over 60cm I prefere PVC tank - under 60cm nice big bag and box - single fish works fine. If you put too many koi of different sizes in a tank - well, think for yourself what will happen! A submarine VS and rubber duck comes to mind! something has to give.
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PostSubject: Re: Bag and box versus transport tank   Thu May 20, 2010 9:41 pm

Most of the Cape Town hobbyist that Show in George a 450km trip, use a PVC bags with great success.
Provided you lock the zips with a cable-tie Quinton. lol!

Johann use to load 7 - 10 big Koi for such a trip with no problem in a 1000L PVC bag.

Drikus used floating air bags on top of his water to fill the void, to enable him to carry less water. The man was still stopped and fined at the Weighbridge, the plan worked and the Koi was fine, not his ego with the traffic fine. bounce

With the wind resistance on a PVC bag while transporting on a bakkie or trailer, one should arrive at the Show site with colder water, or am I missing the boat. Question
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PostSubject: Re: Bag and box versus transport tank   Thu Oct 14, 2010 8:55 am

Where can I buy a transport tank at a good price?

Next month I need to transport 10 or more koi in the 30-40cm range from Bloem to Jaco where Vossie will collect them. I don't have oxygen at home so the transport tank might be a better option for me. I can always use it later as a hospital tank again.

How many days before the transport should I stop feeding?
What do I need to add to the water during transport?
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PostSubject: Re: Bag and box versus transport tank   Thu Oct 14, 2010 9:26 am

I would think that any plastic or fibreglass container that's big enough and has a lid can be used. Get those battery operated airpumps, make a hole in the lid for tubing to go through and you're done!

Drikus told me that he stops feeding 4 days before transporting. This seems like a good period to me....

I normally put Acriflavine in the bags or containers when I transport Koi. It's the safest as you can't overdose on it so they'll be fine for long periods.
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PostSubject: Re: Bag and box versus transport tank   Thu Oct 14, 2010 10:01 am

Thanks for info Chris. Will do that.

Chance of plans. Hospital phoned me minutes a go and I have to go for cornea transplant as soon as possible, so Vossie might get his koi sooner
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PostSubject: Re: Bag and box versus transport tank   Thu Oct 14, 2010 10:08 am

Hi Marius

Jy kan Collin Nel probeer

Sterkte met die op ek hoop dit verloop goed.
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PostSubject: Re: Bag and box versus transport tank   Thu Oct 14, 2010 10:19 am

Dankie oom Neville.
Ja dit k@k gevoel om vir operasie te gaan. Het uitgesien na hierdie dag maar toe hulle my bel en se daar is 'n oog toe verander my gemoed sommer. Gelukkig is daardie soort oorplanting gewoonlik suksesvol want kornea bevat nie senuwee en bloedvate nie. So uur se duur operasie. Hoop net nie ek pleeg misdaad na die tyd nie hehe
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PostSubject: Re: Bag and box versus transport tank   Thu Oct 14, 2010 10:50 am

Miskien word jy lucky & kan jy deur klere sien!! lol!

Sterkte met die operasie.... Sien jou binnekort.
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PostSubject: Re: Bag and box versus transport tank   Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:52 am


Ag ou Marius, dink net hoe mooi gaan jy daai nuwe vise van jou sien na die op.
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PostSubject: Re: Bag and box versus transport tank   Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:56 am

hehe Neville, ja die Kohaku gaan lyk soos 'n Tancho
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PostSubject: Re: Bag and box versus transport tank   Thu Oct 14, 2010 2:09 pm

Hello Maruis

Ek het vanjaar nuwe "stainless steel" raam transport tank 1.5m x .900m van Dream Koi gekoop, en het dus nog die een van 1m x 1m wat ek 'n 2009 gebruik het. So as jy nie nader aan jou regkom nie, laat weet my
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PostSubject: Re: Bag and box versus transport tank   Thu Oct 14, 2010 3:11 pm

Frame with only the base being fixed.


I would use a strap and ratchet belt around the top for additional safety.


Transport vat filled with water to the top and zips secured with cable ties.
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