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PostSubject: KOHAKU   Tue Mar 30, 2010 9:00 am

Hi all
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Wayne what do think about the photo ?
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PostSubject: Re: KOHAKU   Tue Mar 30, 2010 9:38 am

I like a Maruten Kohaku, but this one has very little hi on the body. When large, the red is going to appear very small in comparison with the fish although it appears to be strong enough to last and will not fade away.

On Kohaku, the hi almost stays the same size over time whereas the white grows.

Demerits: Hi in the dorsal fin (front and back) and no tailstop or white area between the last pattern and tail. Two tiny hi spots which is distracting although it will probably go away. Possible shimi's front left developing or is it dirty water?

Good bodyshape.

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PostSubject: Re: KOHAKU   Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:15 am

Thanks Paul for the comments
I got the koi about 11 months ago at 20 cm now he is 34 cm.
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PostSubject: Re: KOHAKU   Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:21 am

The body shape is good. I think they call this type of pattern a flower pattern.

It feels a bit "kaal / naked" to me with so little red but the quality in red is there.

The photo looks good, position is slighly off but not to bad. The angle at what the photo was taken is fine roughy around 50', you can try and go slightly up to 60' so that you get a more top view of the koi. I would recommend a 50' - 60' degree angle on koi photos depending on your distance from the koi as that gives a better overview. At a shorter distance i would use 50' and at a longer distance 60'.

When a photo is taken at 30- 40' the koi starts to look short and fat and represents more a tad pole than a koi. geek

Obviously there are many other ways, just telling you what works for me. cherry



Please try the following with the current photo:

1. Take the original and crop the photo so that only about 2-3cm of blue bowl is showing around the koi.
2. Then resize it to the size that you posted here.
3. Repost the image.

Would really like to see what that looks like. I think the quality and overall appearance of the koi will then show better.
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PostSubject: Re: KOHAKU   Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:16 pm

No shame Wayne.... Do it for him!
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PostSubject: Re: KOHAKU   Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:20 pm

i dont mind. flower Will help anytime.

Dave you can mail me the original if you want. sunny Click on the email button at the bottom of my posts.


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PostSubject: Re: KOHAKU   Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:27 pm

Just right-click on the pic he posted and select "Save Picture As"..... I wanna see the difference when you've edited the pic.
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PostSubject: Re: KOHAKU   Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:32 pm

I cant do it like that. All the detail of the fish is gone once your resize the image to a smaller size. I would need to the original big image.

Doing that to the existing image will have no benefit except to make the image smalller. You will gain no more detail or quality.
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PostSubject: Re: KOHAKU   Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:36 pm

If you say so.... Thought it was just to compare.
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PostSubject: Re: KOHAKU   Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:52 pm

Ok chris... ive done it but i still dont see much benefit as i cant gain detail.

I took the photo and then i tried to adjust the direction in wich the koi is pointing, then i cropped it and then adjusted the contrast. See the two next to each other below.

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PostSubject: Re: KOHAKU   Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:57 pm

IS THIS WHAT YOU MEAN WAYNE
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PostSubject: Re: KOHAKU   Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:07 pm

In the one you changed Wayne, the quality of the red looks better because you changed the contrast. If you want to show the "true" colours of the Koi one shouldn't be editing the pics at all. I can easily use photoshop to turn this into a show quality shiro utsuri. I think an image should be left as you took it without changing any brightness or contrast.
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PostSubject: Re: KOHAKU   Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:10 pm

Yes, you got the idea. How big is your original photo? In step 2 i would resize down to 800 pixels wide but that all depends on how many pixels you have to start with.

I took your picture and adjusted the contrast and the hue and saturation on it.

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PostSubject: Re: KOHAKU   Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:19 pm

Chris Maritz wrote:
In the one you changed Wayne, the quality of the red looks better because you changed the contrast. If you want to show the "true" colours of the Koi one shouldn't be editing the pics at all. I can easily use photoshop to turn this into a show quality shiro utsuri. I think an image should be left as you took it without changing any brightness or contrast.

I get what you are saying...I again sometimes feel that the photo does not always do the koi justice as it actually sometimes look better than on a photo. That is something i have found with dark fish...they dont make beautfull photos. The flash cause the koi to appear lighter in the font than in the back and sometimes make the colours in the front seem faded.

Ever tried to take a picture that resembles what you see? Its not that easy. Our eyes are extremly complex. One can adjust the lighting on the camera aswell before taking the photo...So what is realy the true colours?

When one takes pictures under florencent light white appears blue...under normal globels it appear yellowy.

With photography its all about lighting but i doubt if it ever really represents what the subject really looks like. I dont think there is anything wrong with altering the light conditions of the photo as a whole...but i would not agree to altering a specific section on a photo.
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PostSubject: Re: KOHAKU   Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:31 pm

Maybe we must submit video's instead of pics What a Face
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PostSubject: Re: KOHAKU   Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:35 pm

One last thing.

To get a photo to look exactly like the koi does there infront of you, one will have to have the exact same aperture on your camera lens than what your eye is set to in that exact time and one must not use a flash...but that brings other technical problems with shutter speed...our eyes develop the picture much faster than any current digital camera.

Same problem with video cameras. lol As soon as you are using another optical device to capture the image you are looking through someone elses eyes.

Ever wondered if blue looks the same to you as to someone else? Or whether they dont see blue as red but call it blue? scratch
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PostSubject: Re: KOHAKU   Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:33 am

Oh, i see...... So that's why my wife laughed when I said I have a big penis?! jocolor I knew there was something wrong with her eyes!!
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