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PostSubject: SAKKS WCKC Sakai Grow and Show   SAKKS WCKC Sakai Grow and Show Icon_minitimeMon Feb 15, 2010 4:27 pm

I am posting this to gauge general interest to be part of a virtual online grow and show competition. The Koi would be numbered and allocated to a keeper by means of a draw. The entry fees to the competition will be payable to the WCKC. There will be a prize for the winning keeper. Should we be able to generate enough interest I will post the rules in due cause?
The entry fee of one of the Kohakuís will be R 500.00, currently on sale for an R 1000.00. Should we have to fly your Koi somewhere in SA a further transport cost of R 225.00 will have to be added.
Herewith the 8 Sakai Kohakuís between 24-28 cm intended for the Grow and Show. Only keepers with serious intent to participate should reply. Remember the money goes to the WCKC.

The koi has been in QT and tested for KHV but the WCKC strongly recommends further QT before they are added to your collection.
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PostSubject: Re: SAKKS WCKC Sakai Grow and Show   SAKKS WCKC Sakai Grow and Show Icon_minitimeMon Feb 15, 2010 4:48 pm

ill take a gamble.

So is the winner the one with the best growth or best quality? This needs to be in the rules before the compitition starts.

Show me the mommy. lol
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PostSubject: Re: SAKKS WCKC Sakai Grow and Show   SAKKS WCKC Sakai Grow and Show Icon_minitimeMon Feb 15, 2010 4:55 pm

Ek gaan hulle sponsor maar nie deel wees van beoordeeling en toekenning nie so.
Ek sal ook een neem, 2 from 8 gone.
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PostSubject: Re: SAKKS WCKC Sakai Grow and Show   SAKKS WCKC Sakai Grow and Show Icon_minitimeMon Feb 15, 2010 6:38 pm

You can count me in Bobby, im definitely interested.
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Thanks Mario bounce
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PostSubject: Re: SAKKS WCKC Sakai Grow and Show   SAKKS WCKC Sakai Grow and Show Icon_minitimeMon Feb 15, 2010 10:38 pm

Ok, some questions - which sakai? how big now? how old? Criteria for the grow and show - ie, rules? Where are these koi currently? Why not have the judging at the baby koi show? I think I know most answers as these koi look familiar.

Wayne - if they are SFF - the momma is a big lady calles Thomahawk...I think. I've got 4 from this batch arriving this week and I beleive a few others from this forum as well - had to get something to enter for the WC baby show....challenge will be to keep them under 45cm until may!! affraid
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PostSubject: Re: SAKKS WCKC Sakai Grow and Show   SAKKS WCKC Sakai Grow and Show Icon_minitimeMon Feb 15, 2010 11:50 pm

I think we should just go for pure growth. Not the largest koi but the one that has achieved the most length in the time period.

I also want to suggest that participants in this show and grow must post a pic of their koi on this forum at least once a month or be disqualified.

In the end Bobby will have to decide the rules of the compition and im happy to go with what ever is decided.
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PostSubject: Re: SAKKS WCKC Sakai Grow and Show   SAKKS WCKC Sakai Grow and Show Icon_minitimeTue Feb 16, 2010 8:21 am

Ernst wrote:
Ok, some questions - which sakai? how big now? how old? Criteria for the grow and show - ie, rules? Where are these koi currently? Why not have the judging at the baby koi show? I think I know most answers as these koi look familiar.

Wayne - if they are SFF - the momma is a big lady calles Thomahawk...I think. I've got 4 from this batch arriving this week and I beleive a few others from this forum as well - had to get something to enter for the WC baby show....challenge will be to keep them under 45cm until may!! affraid

Hi Erns, I am sure your answers is on the money, these Kohaku's were bought by Drikus and are currently at Cape Koi Aquarium. I have some rules in mind that should work for an online competition. As Johann would say, the first order of business will be to establish interest, to see if I should continue with the project. Should we involve the Baby show in Cape Town it will rule out the out of town forum members. Well not a very good response to date with only Cape members enquiring, it will be a saving to my pocket Wink . I will give it a few more days and then decide the way forward.
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Ek stel ook belang
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Interested, however, curious on the judging, growth only?

Will the judging be done based on the photos submitted? So entries outside the Cape would have to pay for travel once....to get the fish......
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And till when can they grow, when will teh show be?
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Looking at the judging to take place on regular photo's submitted on this forum, lets say every 60 days for a year. This must be a compulsory requirement to qualify. On the criteria for the judging and rules I will consult with the experts once we have enough interest. Adi my aim is for us keepers to have fun, brag, and try our luck to grow Koi with all the different systems we operate and food we feed. I would hate to see any Grow and Show becoming a bone of contention. I will sponsor the Koi and prize to the WCKC and the last thing I want is to experience is a negative vibe. All competitions have rules should we like it or not, therefore no catch is being planned, the main criteria will be for keepers to enjoy and interact positively.

You can see from the post of Ernst that these Sakai Koi has the tendency to be fast growers, I cannot promise anyone specific quality. Erns, Drikus, Mark and Quinton has purchased Sakai Kohaku's from the same SA supplier.
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Ek het nie probleem met die reels nie...so lank ek die wenner is. lol!

Kom ernst neem een dan kan ek try kompiteer teen jou met groei....(mense bid tog maar vir my) Sad

Waar is die eienaars van die vissies? Drikus, Mark gaan julle nie probeer wys wat julle kan doen nie?

So ver het ons 6 takers...moet al 8 gaan? Wayne, Bobby, Mario...Marius?, Adi?, Ernst?
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Hmm a year they will be monster by then, sounds like fun, and thats what koi keeping should be...........
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I am very happy to announce that I have just secured the services of 2 Judges for this grow and show project. Paul from Koi Online and Christie from Cape Koi Aquarium, our thanks to the both of you.

I have received a very good proposal as a criteria for the Judging and wll ask Paul from Koi Online to post this for us. I believe it will answer all your questions and will give a sporting chance to all the Koi in the competition.

Please note.The way the judges interpret the Koi based on the photo presented will be final.This could be a good exercise to work on our picture taking skills. Embarassed No high court appeal. Basketball
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I have suggested that there be three different criteria on which the fish will be judged, and Bobby accepted this criteria. This is to ensure that everyone has a fair chance to win irrespective of the draw.

The three different criteria are:

1 Best growth based on a percentage growth rate. (The difference between the initial size and eventual size, based on the highest percentage of growth)

2 Best development/improvement of quality over the period, growth rate excluded.

3 Best Kohaku based on normal kohaku appreciation standards.

A first place in each category will earn 10 points, second place will earn 9 points, third place will earn 8 points and so on.

The fish with the most points will win.

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To make the allocation of Koi fair we will take a picture of every Koi with a number and current size of Koi in the same picture. Wayne has volunteered to be the camera man and to post the pictures for us. Wayne please place a board at the back with a number and size for ease of identification.

We will then have a draw at Cape Koi Aquarium and anyone that can attend this draw will be welcome. We will add all the names of the participants in one box and all the Koi numbers in another box. We can then draw a name and after that draw a number.cheers You are welcome to have your lawyer attend the draw to represent your interest. lol!

The allocated Koi must be collected from Cape Koi Aquarium and those that need to be shipped will be taken to the Airport.
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Ja ek is in, altyd n bok vir sports. cheers
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Met Drikus is nog 'n groot vis aan die hoek, nou moet ons net seker maak hy stuur nie foto van sy huidige vissie in nie. affraid

Ek sien die Pretoria manne is maar stil, hulle wil nie saam met ons speel nie, seker maar bietjie bekommerd oor die bulletjies die naweek Embarassed en die koning is seker bekommerd die SF sluk die vissie in. lol!
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Ja Bobby, jy het n plan daar. Dan hoef ek nie te QT nie en dan is daar
nog n extra vissie.

cheers bounce cheers

As daar nog belangstelling is sal ek die twee wat nog by my is ook sponser.
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Drikus van Dijk wrote:
Ja Bobby, jy het n plan daar. Dan hoef ek nie te QT nie en dan is daar
nog n extra vissie.
cheers bounce cheers
As daar nog belangstelling is sal ek die twee wat nog by my is ook sponser.
Ek weet hulle het nou al 'n maand of wat van die Drikus doepa in, en soos dit met die Sakai Koi gaan sal dit 'n redelike voorsprong in die hande van 'n master soos jy. Indien die verbetering nie reeds so groot is as wat ek dink nie, sal jy my erg teleurstel. geek
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Hoop die wenner deel ook die doepa met ons sodat ons almal (veral ek) kan leer. Klink vir my na pret en hoop almal geniet dit en dat daar baie positiewe resultate na vore sal kom. Die rugby hier was 'n grrot gemors maar gelukkig het my koi lig / lug en kos gehad.
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Bobby
Indien daar nog 'n plek beskikbaar is wil ek graag deelneem.
NS Ek is nie in Pretoria nie maar darm baie nader aan die groot bekers as julle WPeers.
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Idea: Once the fish are numbered, maybe get the judges to judge them based on the 3 established criteria, could be a nice starting point.........
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Judges, julle moet my laat weet hoe die photos geneem moet word.

1. Soek julle 'n over the sholder photo soos hulle die wenner by koi skoue afneem.

2. Of soek julle een direk van bo af met die lyf redelik reguit en vinne uit?

3. Of enige posisie, slegs vir identifikasie....wag tail, whiplash en tummy roll ook Ok?

Ek skat die deelnemers sal die vissie in dieselfde manier moet afneem op 'n later stadium na die uitdeling van die visse om die kompitisie regverdig tekan beoordeel.

Ek sal die afmetings en nommer van elke vis neem en dit in the photo insit voordat ek dit oplaai.
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