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PostSubject: Critique my local bred Shiro Utsuri   Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:23 pm

Hi All

I gave comments on a few kois in the week so i felt it was just fair that i put my money where my mouth is and show some of mine so that mine could be scrutinized. Now please feel free to critique my local bred Shiro Utsuri from my own private collection.

Kindai Shiro Utsuri
Breeder: Quality Koi / Platinum Koi
Dealer: Cape Koi Aquarium
Bloodline: Omosako
Gender: Unknown
Length: 19cm
Price: Ill tell you later...

Paul, Drikus, Quinton, Eugen & Bobby stop hiding on the forum and tell me what you think.





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PostSubject: Re: Critique my local bred Shiro Utsuri   Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:40 pm

Hi Wayne not a bad pic, sorry about the Koi Embarassed
I hear peolpe talk about underlying Sumi, tell me is this an example of an underlying Koi. Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation


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PostSubject: Re: Critique my local bred Shiro Utsuri   Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:15 pm

nice fish for the future keep us updated
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PostSubject: Re: Critique my local bred Shiro Utsuri   Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:50 pm

Just a reminder this is Wayne asking What a Face WayneB with the 16 point purchase schedule, geek don't spare the horses let him have it. Evil or Very Mad His collection is so private, this could well be his complete collection. Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Critique my local bred Shiro Utsuri   Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:13 pm

Nee wat lyk amper soos n barber man sorry wayne dit is nie n mooi vis nie miskien oor n paar jaar sal nie weet nie
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PostSubject: Re: Critique my local bred Shiro Utsuri   Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:48 pm

Anybody with some objective critique or praise relating to this koi compared to the variety that it belongs to?

Here are some pics showing the development of an omosako kindai shiro utsuri.

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PostSubject: Re: Critique my local bred Shiro Utsuri   Sat Feb 06, 2010 6:17 am

Ja Wane nogal gedink hier kom n ding jy sal nie fotos van swak visse plaas.
Sjoe maar dit is baie interesant veral vir ons ouens wat nie teel. Wys jou net ne gee dit n kans
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PostSubject: Re: Critique my local bred Shiro Utsuri   Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:41 am

Hi Neville

Ek het gehoop om meer mense se opinies tekry maar lyk my mense is tebang. Sad

En manne om tese "dis 'n vis vir die toekoms" is "cheating". Die vissie is maar net 19cm natuurlik is dit 'n vissie vir die toekoms. Evil or Very Mad

Hierdie vissie was R25. bounce

Ek loop nooit verby die cheap bins nie. Daar is altyd een of twee wat gemis word en as 'n mens jou kennis en tyd toeplaas kry jy 'n bargain.

Volgens my is hierdie 'n pragtige klien koitjie met baie potentiaal. Persoonlik dink ek nie dat dit 'n baie groot vis gaan word nie maar as ek na die 17 punte kyk wat ek noudie dag genoem het, dink ek nie die een doen sleg nie. Die vissie mag my miskien verkeerd bewys aangesien die stert net voor die stert fin reeds baie dik is en hy dus groter mag groei as wat ek dink.

Ek wil graag he julle moet na die wit bo op die stert kyk. Sien julle nie wit "kol"? Blykbaar op klein shiro utsuris en ander klein vissies is dit waar mens kyk hoe die wit gaan lyk as hy groot is...Ek kan net hoop.

Die geel op die kop behoort opteklaar aangesien dit nog baie jonk is. Geel koppe op klein shiro utsuris is nie 'n teken van die geslag nie maar net dat die kopvel baie dun is. As hy 'n geel kop hou tot 30cm dan is dit heel waarskynlik 'n mannetjie.

Ek kan net hoop dat die vissie sal uitdraai soos die voorbeeld wat ek bo gegee het.

Ek gaan later nog visse van my eie kolleksie oplaai op die forum, hopelik kry ek dan beter terugvoering.

Soos bobby se "dont spare the horses" geek

Wayne


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PostSubject: Re: Critique my local bred Shiro Utsuri   Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:53 am

lol!

cheers cheers cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Critique my local bred Shiro Utsuri   Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:31 am

Het vandag die shiro utsuri weer gevang gemeet en fotos geneem.

Hy is nou 22.5cm lank, nie sleg vir 1 maand se groei nie.

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PostSubject: Re: Critique my local bred Shiro Utsuri   Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:53 am

Wayne jy moet die vissie kos gee. lol!
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PostSubject: My take   Sat Mar 13, 2010 6:40 pm

Head going a little yellow which given the first pic seems to be developing? Stop with the colour enhancer. Potential is there - if you can extract it you might have a very nice little Koi. I like the excellent motoguru and the sumi on the head/eye area.
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PostSubject: Re: Critique my local bred Shiro Utsuri   Sat Mar 13, 2010 6:50 pm

Thanks for the comment William. As you see i have been begging for comments but no one expect you so far has given any objective critique.

Yes i noticed that the yellow head got a bit darker (if i look at the photos), it is a concern. I am concerned that it is yellow pigmentation and not the normal yellow colour one usually gets on shiro utsuri. This last photo is also a bit darker than the first so i am not sure if that is creating the impression of a darker head. Lots of maybes riht now. Im not using any Colour Enhancer but the koi might be eating algea.

I also like the head pattern, especially the one black eye with the strike through over the head.

Thanks again for you comments. I plan to track this little kois development very closely.
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PostSubject: Utsuri   Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:02 pm

Wayne - I on the other hand think that this is not all bad if it is not all there yet. The strength of the sumi says that it will hav nice black down the line. i am not too worried about yellow head - this can clean up - have personally seen kohaku and utsuri with yellow gills go white with age - unless male of course. Love the pecs! Hold onto the fish until 40cm - I have just had an absolute dog turn into a stunner. It si a far easier job to crit hi on a small fish than it is sumi.
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PostSubject: Re: Critique my local bred Shiro Utsuri   Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:09 pm

QJones wrote:
I have just had an absolute dog turn into a stunner. .

can we see?
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PostSubject: Re: Critique my local bred Shiro Utsuri   Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:29 pm

Thanks for the comment Quinton. Sorry i only noticed it now.
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PostSubject: My utsuri Pics   Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:38 pm

Hi all - here is an example - Aug 2008 vs Jan 2010. The fish was almost black when I got it, and has improved a lot since the Jan photo. Apologies the pics are not the best but you get the idea.


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PostSubject: Re: Critique my local bred Shiro Utsuri   Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:45 pm

Looks good quinton, amazing how it developed. Thats why i like Shiro Utsuri so much. What size is the koi now?
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PostSubject: Utsuri   Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:40 pm

Wayne about 42cm and the pic doesnt do it justice. I noticed that some of the black went grey and thats when the pattern started shaping, almost within 6 months there was significant change - seems the grey either dissapears and becomes white or darkens and merges with the rest of the pattern
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PostSubject: Re: Critique my local bred Shiro Utsuri   Wed Apr 07, 2010 2:47 pm

Ok im 2 days behind my usual update on this shiro utsuri. Its current length is 29cm. Thats a 7.5cm growth from last month and a total growth of 10cm since i got it 2 months ago.

The sumi has come out a bit more but its white is a bit yacky....this lttle koi now needs the winter to sort its pigmentation out. The head is more creamy than yelow but again the photos are to dark. I seem to be loosing my touch with the photos as the photos are coming out to dark...not sure why yet. This koi is now getting to big for the small blue bowl so i will need to photograph it in the big blue from next month on which will affect the blue of the photos.

There are also some visible veins from stress showing in the photo.



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PostSubject: Re: Critique my local bred Shiro Utsuri   Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:12 pm

coming along alot more sumi in the pecs and seems to be coming out more. Will winter tighten the sumi up a bit as well ?
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PostSubject: Re: Critique my local bred Shiro Utsuri   Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:49 pm

ok, i think i found my problem. The camera was setup -2.3 for exposure compensation and not on 0.0 as in the first picture...i hope that is what is making the pictures darker. Im going to take another photo tomorrow.

Lee the white and the black will both improof in the winter time. This is a horrible photo.

Bodyshape...The kois belly is also huge due to the heavy feeding and its affecting its body shape slightly but its not a bad body shape in a permanent way. I starved the kois for the last 10 days so far because they fed so heavily this season. One of my kohakus have a huge hump. So i decided to cut the feeding back a bit so that their bodies can catch up.
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