Hi

Can someone please tell me what is going on here. This koi is only 44cm and seems to be stuffed with eggs? Is it eggs or maybe a genetical \ internal problem.

This koi took supreme size 3 in george and now it looks like it swallowed a graza bottle.

Please give me advise.

Thanks

Wayne

One of my Kohaku's started swelling like that and the fish was under 20cm ... it has grown now to around 30cm and looks like a wine vat with a fish tail ... initially I also thought it was eggs but now I think it is something else and it is growing. In the past few weeks the fish has lost all it's red and I will net it out next week when we clean the pond and catch the stray goldfish.

Wayneb,

My suggestion is try to feel the stomach of the fish with your hand, if it is very soft than maybe it is just eggs....

But if it feels very hard, than it's internal problem....

Also, u can stop feeding during Winter time of this year. If it is eggs, the fish will absorb it and the body shape should go back to normal again....

regards,
sas

Ive received the koi as a gift, ive had it now for maybe a week or so.

Ive contacted Servaas De Kock and Julie from koicare and both say that i must try and spawn the koi as soon as possible or its not going to life for very much longer.

At only 44cm i find it very odd for a koi to look like this or to even have so many eggs.

So im going to try and spawn her later today, just to try and release the eggs...Im not intrested at the momment to grow any fry on as i dont have a suitable male yet.

A koi that is bloated may have one of the following conditions:


1. Collection of excessive tissue fluid.

The 'belly' of a koi can be caused to bulge on account of a collection of tissue fluid around the abdomen area. This can be caused by an internal bacterial infection or the malfunctioning of the kidneys. Behaving like a fluid-filled balloon, the volume and pressure within the koi can cause blood capillaries to become visible in the skin and the eyes to protrude.

This condition can easily be misdiagnosed as koi being spawn-bound, but if scales protrude from the sleek lines of the koi's body then this is a positive identification of a koi suffering from dropsy. This is quite terminal and can pose risks for other koi in the same pond. The affected fish should be isolated and monitored if possible and put to sleep with an overdose of anaesthetic if the symptoms deteriorate.

2) Tumour

A fish suffering from a tumour is not likely to become as apparently 'full' as a dropsied koi and is only likely to affect a localised area of a fish. A tumour is likely to manifest itself as a lump, where the swelling may even appear to one side if the koi is viewed directly from above.

As with dropsy, there is little remedial action that can be carried out, but it is less likely to affect the other fish should it develop further.

3) Obesity

A 'bloated' koi may just be that! In the race to grow koi as quickly as possible, it has been known for koi to be fed excessive quantities of food that is too energy-rich for koi, being deposited around the gut and internal organs as fat.

However, if this is the cause then the majority of koi in a pond are likely to exhibit obese symptoms.

4) Spawn - eggbound


Wayne, if you can feel a lumb, it might be a tumor. If it is eggs, you might be able to see eggs coming out if you gently try to push it out. (hand strip)

I see that the swelling is more towards the one side?, which often indicates that it is rather a tumour.

It can also be a bacterial infection affecting the kidneys as with dropsy, causing excess fluid.

I hear people use Epsom salt to treat fluid buildup problems within goldfish? Is this true, or just a gimmick and not widely used?

And so it begins...

http://www.KoiAdventures.co.za/UserFiles/Image/ForumPosts/Breeding/ShiroUtsuriAndKomanryu.avi

Wayne, gooi skadunet in sodat hy haar lekker kan vasdruk.

For those that cant see the video on the image above try this one.

http://www.koiadventures.co.za/UserFiles/Image/ForumPosts/Breeding/ShiroUtsuriAndKomanryu.wmv

or

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=262380267697

This is my experience- I never did an autopsy, but I believe the swelling could have been the result of a tumour.

http://www.koiphen.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56197

(Dont look at the filtration bit- it has since changed)

What was quite obvious when one observed the swelling, was the asymmetrical shape of the abdomen.

Good luck
Albie

Mm what a nice fish, it would be a shame to loose it.

I certainly would not discard this fish as yet as it certainly does not look sick from here.
I would isolate if you can and try and stop to feed it for a few days. I had similar problems but my pond is now a koi gym as I have inruduced a strong stream and the fish love it, and they are looking great. I must add that I have had koi spawn extensively at 18 months ie at the baby koi show, so maybe if you are lucky this might be it.

Best of luck
Ps. Swimming aganst a current does wonders for them

ok so far nothing... the male is chasing her but nothing from her side. As can be seen in the video things started of very ruff and fast yesterday.

Today during the warm weather they decided to give it a rest for a while and to rather hide under the plants and shade netting. Now this evening he started chasing her again but its more of a follow my leader at slow speed.

So i decided to seperate them for 1hr and to do a big water change...wow now the passion is back (mainly from his side)

While they where seperated i investigated both, his gillplates feel like he hasnt shaven for 3 days. I also felt her belly (swollen part) it soft very soft.

So can some of the local breeders give me some pointers....how do i get her in the mood. The male is obviously intrested.

I had the same problems two year ago with a 50 mm utsuri from knysna ass well, tried to spawn her but didnot get better, the swelling got so worse that at a later stage she could not go down but stay close to the surface, got and oppinion from another koi keeper in George who told me it was kidney failure and we put her asleep, she also whon a 1st price in her category at the George show.

Hi Nellius

Ill have to see what happens but kidney failure usually causes dropsy. Dropsy is when the fish swells up and the scales begin to lift giving it a pinecone effect. Dropsy starts at the front of the body and moves towards the back. Popeye and Dropsy also usualy goes hand in hand with each other.

At the momment i pretty sure that its not dropsy but i am concerned that they female cant release the eggs for some reason.

We have had several warm days and i have been doing daily water changes since i started spawning them. Last night at 9pm the water was 30'C. After doing a 80% water change the tempreture was 25'C. We are having a cloudy and windy day today and the water temp is now 23'C. I was told that females will only spawn between 18'C and 20'C. So im not sure if i am going to achieve that.

I would like to share with you my experience attending a local breed Koi Sale about a year ago. I do not want to name anyone as I take full responsibility for my purchase. This is the same Utsuri now with Wayne and when he took her from me she was reasonably Ok but had since grown very big quickly. She had some carpox at the time and it seems that I have passed her on just in time. LOL (This turns out to be a mean gift) Sorry but Wayne new the circumstances and is not complaining.
I bought a local breed koi to the value of R 1200 and was then call back and convinced by experienced keepers to purchase a second Koi at R 2400 (32-34cm)
A month later Koi no 1 took a first place and Koi no 2 took a supreme prize at a show. 2 months later at another show I entered Koi 2 and a very experienced Koi person that did the benching had second thoughts in benching this Koi due to a serious defect of the face. I could not see this and later an experienced judge explained the demerit to me and I could still not fully recognize the problem. Needless to say a few months later I started to see the issue and I could also see how badly her swimming movements were affected as well.
The moral of the storey is that sometimes even experts are fooled as I do not believe there was any intent to do me in and sell me an inferior Koi. These things can happen and it is not a reflection on local breed Koi.
Koi no 1 is still swimming in my pond and doing just fine.