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PostSubject: Re: Rhenosterkop Koiponds ... I have a vision   Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:49 pm

Dankie Marius ... jy is reg ... dit was a groot projek en op stadiums het amper weggehol. Wink

Ons maak almal foute met ons damme en ons leer baie by mekaar soos ons aangaan. DIt was een van my doelwitte om hierdie joernaal so te skryf dat iemand wat wil begin dit goed kan gebruik as riglyn. Ek het ook baie detail gepos oor die frustrasies wat ek gehad het. DIt is wanneer jy goed so dokumeteer dat jy self baie leer.

Sterkte met jou damme.

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PostSubject: Re: Rhenosterkop Koiponds ... I have a vision   Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:27 pm

Colyn wrote:
DIt was een van my doelwitte om hierdie joernaal so te skryf dat iemand wat wil begin dit goed kan gebruik as riglyn. .


Ek dink jy slaag in jou doel, jou thread het al tot op datum 2123 'views" gehad, still going strong. Dankie nogmaals vir al die inputs.

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PostSubject: Re: Rhenosterkop Koiponds ... I have a vision   Fri May 15, 2009 12:02 pm

Ek wonder wat gaan daar by Rhenosterkop aan. Dit is dood stil.

Die damme moet nou al lekker "mature" wees en die koi te groot vir die damme.Question

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PostSubject: Re: Rhenosterkop Koiponds ... I have a vision   Sun May 17, 2009 12:20 am

Admin wrote:
Ek wonder wat gaan daar by Rhenosterkop aan. Dit is dood stil.

Die damme moet nou al lekker "mature" wees en die koi te groot vir die damme.Question


Jis ek is jammer ek is so skaars maar dinge in my besigheid is hectic. Ja die damme is great en ek het hel baie klein storietjies om te vertel ... ek sal probeer om in die volgende paar dae so bietjie nuwe shots en stories te post.

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PostSubject: Re: Rhenosterkop Koiponds ... I have a vision   Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:49 am

It is almost exactly one year since I placed the first koi in my ponds. I placed 94 fish in the two ponds initially and then bought 4 more in the weeks following that initial stocking. I added 6 grass carps, also fingerlings in October.

In the veggie pond I placed 34 goldfish, 8 vlei kurpers and my son "dropped" 4 Oscars and two funny barbel like things in the veggie pond as well.

I placed 8 Platies and 8 Mollies in the final filtration trough. All of these fish were placed in the system in the first 4 weeks and then I placed a strong prohibition on any new fish into that system.

The veggie pond and filtration inhabitants was done for specific reasons, each of those species had a task. The goldfish are extremely effective in cleaning up algae growth. The Platies and Mollies were placed into the system to control the mosquitoes and the tilapia was earmarked to help with algae and other water insects.

Many people, including my own family was of the opinion that I have lost my mind and were unrealistic to think that I will be able to get a self sustaining eco system going.

I battled with algae and mosquitoes and "muggies". But in the meantime the mollies and platies started breeding and by late November the presence of the "muggies" and mosquitoes in the final filter chambers and sump was almost non existent. It was also around this time that I noticed the first small kurpers appearing. The gold fish was also spawning but I noticed very few actually making it to "fish" in that veggie pond. I think between the other goldfish, the kurpers and the oscars the fry did not stand much of a chance.

My plants were struggling because the bio mass in the ponds was too low to sustain them and I was forced to add fertilizer. I used seaweed extract and twice a week we poured around 100ml of a double diluted mixture into every pot. This helped the plants but also fed the damn algae.

In July I bought two earthworm farms from a guy in the Cape and by late October the worms were beginning to produce around 3 litres of "tea" per week. Diluting this 10:1 meant that every week I had 30 liters of organic fertilizer of the highest quality. I started feeding this to the plants both in the pots as well as spraying the leaves. The spray has one huge advantage in that it basically wipes out all sorts of critters that wanted to eat the plants. The most important thing is that this worm tea is completely safe for the fish.

During November and December I lost two koi to what is believed to be dropsy. 2 of the grass carps in the veggie pond also disappeared and only 3 oscars made it to 3 inches.

Now remember all my koi was placed in the ponds as fish of around 70mm long. These fish looked almost lost in the big ponds but I calculated how many big koi could be sustained comfortably in each pond and then stocked those numbers. My idea was that the fish must grow into the ponds.

By late December I began to see the plants were needing less feeding and in January I stopped feeding them all together. The koi was now around 100 to 120mm and the increase in bio mass was obviously beginning to show it's effect in the nutrients that became available to the plants.

By this time my water was crystal clear and this is when I began to notice goldfish in the koi ponds Smile The only way they could get there was through the pumps. Initially I netted a few of them and placed them back in the veggie pond. I also noticed mollies in the veggie pond and the only way they could get there was through the pumps down the whole koi pond system and finally into the veggie pond. Quite amazing to me. They did not hang around in the koi ponds and followed the streams back to the veggie pond.

In April I noticed that there was a really big population of kurpers in the veggie pond and a few in each koi pond. I am sure I am going to see a huge population explosion of kurpers in the Spring. The original 6 is now the size of my hand. I will harvest the kurpers for my own consumption but I am afraid that I may be forced to introduce a fairly aggressive predator into the system to contain the numbers. I am not too happy with the other species in the koi ponds and I am planning to net them all out in Spring and place a fairly big Blue Kurper in each pond to sweep the fry up that pass through the pumps. I initially considered a bass but the problem with bass is that they grow fairly big and a bass will grab anything that fit in it's mouth and that will certainly also stops me from ever again place small koi in my ponds. If anyone has any advice on a good predator I would like to hear it.

I am sure that all of you can imagine the huge frog invasion I had to live through during Spring and I have made peace with that. Frogs are vital in nature and they are under threat. They are also an indicator specie and for that I just tried to scoop out the bulk of the eggs in the mornings while still allowing a fair number to remain in the veggie pond. I have seen how the tadpoles devour algae in my filter chambers and along the edges of the ponds so they are obviously part of the system and I need to accommodate them.

In May I cut feeding the fish back to around 10% of what they got previously. I am feeding 3 times a week now. The result of this is that the koi is keeping the ponds very clean and when the algae started appearing in early June it was only in the two stream beds.

A friend of mine is a Marine biologist and I asked him about my drastic feeding reduction and he told me that it good to starve the fish during winter. According to him it allows the fish to work off their fat layers and trim them out for the Spring. He reckons that if you do not trim them out in winter you get a situation where the seasonal fat layers start building up in the fish and this is apparently the reason for so many fatalities in female koi when they are around 3 years old. I don't know how much is true but it does make sense and the truth is that the species in my ponds are not feeding aggressively in winter time when in the wild.

In mid June we had a severe cold spell and that killed the 3 oscars and fair number of the mollies and platies. It was expected but deep down I hoped they would survive. I really grew fond of those three oscars Sad ... they had some real attitude.

Now the current status is that since December I did not add any chemicals to my ponds and I also did not test the water this year. The plants looks good, the fish is well with no visible ailments and I feel things are fine. I will add some salt this coming week because it will curtail the string algae in the streams and I do have a few fish that flashes from time to time. I will not add too much salt because the plants really suffer if you push the salt too high.

Interesting is that all the hyacinths died off in my ponds.

As I sit here tonight I am of the opinion that I have achieved my goal of establishing a koi garden and that my ponds have matured into a well balanced and healthy eco system. My koi are between 170 and 300mm now. The bulk is in the range of 250mm with a few smaller ones and a few bigger ones. I am happy with their growth. If I fed them more aggressively I am sure they could have been bigger but I do tend to be quite sceptic of overfeeding any animal.

Here are two pictures.





I will post another contribution on more details of the ponds as well as the spinoffs around the ponds. I planted strawberries, mixed birdseed and sweet potatoes. The latter was done to assist in getting the soil ready for next season as well as priding rapid ground cover.

Thanks again to all that contributed here and I am happy to say that I think that I have achieved basically all of my initial goals.

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PostSubject: Re: Rhenosterkop Koiponds ... I have a vision   Mon Jul 06, 2009 9:51 am

Hi Colyn, looks good, well done!

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PostSubject: Re: Rhenosterkop Koiponds ... I have a vision   Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:03 pm

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Hi Colyn, looks good, well done!


Thank you Paul.

Tonight I sat down I read the whole thread and I am quite convinced that there are a lot of valuable pieces of information in this thread for any koi keeper ... especially a new one that is planning his pond.

I will take some time and do another detailed photo survey of the ponds to explain exactly how my system works.

I also noticed that the real volumes were never published. In November Chris Vis did a chemical calculation and concluded that the water volume in the whole system was around 140,000 liters. For a day or so I wondered how my initial calculation was so far off ... around 25%. I contacted my friend in Sweden that did the initial calculations for me from the measurements and CAD drawings of the pond excavations. He then pointed out that we did our calculations and measurements from the excavations and not from the finished ponds. The loss of depth from the floor slabs and the loss of volume from the walls and plaster can easily explain the drop in volume. It made sense. I am also happy to have the actual water volumes now because if I should ever need to medicate then I know the volumes involved.

I noticed tonite that I have a thick covering of algae in the stream between pond #2 and the veggie pond. I also noticed that some algae is beginning to grow stone bags that was used in the veggie pond to prop up the plant pots. I will stop feeding the goldfish all together now. From August last year till late December I never fed the fish in the veggie pond but then I noticed the pond was very clean and began to give the fish some food.

As I mentioned previously I am basically starving the koi as well and they are browsing the pond constantly and their is no algae buildup.

I also browsed through some of the other threads here where people are building ponds and I am quite surprised to notice that nobody floats their pond floors on crushed stone. I wonder why Question

I also notice that most people cast their floors between the walls. This is also strange to me because that is surely an invitation to a leak aat some stage of the dam's life. In anycase I only built these ponds of mine and is no expert but I am just curious about the lack of component unity because you can increase the strength and durability of your pond many time over by making a few simple adjustments in your building plan at zero extra cost and probably save yourself some money in the future.

Thanks again to all that contributed here and I am looking forward to the new season. Two months to go and it will be Spring.

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PostSubject: Re: Rhenosterkop Koiponds ... I have a vision   Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:21 am

Wow that must have been a huge project but the results are amazing, love how natural it looks with the plants, streams and rocks.

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PostSubject: Re: Rhenosterkop Koiponds ... I have a vision   Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:07 am

Hallo Colyn

If I am not mistaken, you were in the building industry, so maybe you can share a few little secrets with us concerning the construction of ponds. Maybe some info on the use of brick force, foundation and floor construction, salt in plaster.
I am sure many of us will find the information helpful

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PostSubject: Re: Rhenosterkop Koiponds ... I have a vision   Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:34 pm

Colyn wrote:

I also notice that most people cast their floors between the walls. This is also strange to me because that is surely an invitation to a leak aat some stage of the dam's life.


I agree, it makes much more sense casting your foundation and floor on one go and do your walls after that. Your foundation will be much stronger.

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PostSubject: Re: Rhenosterkop Koiponds ... I have a vision   Thu Jul 09, 2009 7:31 am

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Colyn wrote:

I also notice that most people cast their floors between the walls. This is also strange to me because that is surely an invitation to a leak aat some stage of the dam's life.


I agree, it makes much more sense casting your foundation and floor on one go and do your walls after that. Your foundation will be much stronger.


Paul not only makes it the foundation stronger ... by casting the floor and foundation in one go you create a unified slab that will carry your walls.

Any person that lives in an area that is prone to severe thunder storms will know that when the thunder rolls over the landscape there is a distinct vibration in the ground. It as basically a tiny seismic event. Now this the thing that crack most ponds, pools and dams. Some areas also gets other types of seismic event, Gauteng gets it from mining activity and dolomite collapses. High traffic volumes also sends vibrations through the ground.

During these events your pond is vibrating and if you have used a solid floor and foundation like Paul said you are ok, if your floor was cast between your walls you will most probably eventually see a crack against the wall.

The chance of a crack is just bigger if you are in sand soil or you have a pond that rise above the ground.

You can increase your protection against seismic events many times by floating your floor-foundation unit on crushed stone. This is achieved by placing a layer of 100 to 150mm of crushed stone on the bottom of your excavation before you reinforce en cast your floor. The end result is a slab that lies on a bed of crushed stone. During seismic event the vibrations is transmitted into the stone layer and due to their multi facetted surfaces the forces are deflected and transmitted in millions of directions instead of directly into your pond floor. Most of the forces will be exhausted in clashing with itself in the chaos amongst the stones.

If you live in an area with unstable soil like "turf" then a floating floor is the only thing that will last. In unstable soil you also do not backfill with soil ... that is between the soil and the back of your walls. You fill that cavity with coarse riversand and water it well as you raise the level up to the edge. This sand barrier will also buffer and absorb soil movement. Make this backfill layer at least 200mm wide. As the turf or clay expands and move it will fight with the sand buffer, never really reaching your pond.

I see many photos of pond construction here and the ponds are built like fortresses. Double walls with brickforce with steel reinforced concrete filling between the walls. Yes it is strong, yes it should last but is it really necessary. That is a huge amount of costs that go in there. Truth is that if do not want to employ simple "force deflecting" methods in your basic construction you will eventually run into a seismic event that will overpower your brute force structure and trash it.

Go and talk to farmers that have to put up fences in sandy soil and you will see how easy it really is if you know how to use nature to assist your structure instead of trying to overpower nature. Just sit down for a while and think about all the forces that will work in your structure and then plan the construction around that forces instead of just against the forces.

A 100mm shell reinforced with plain diamond mesh is most probably more than enough for any sunken pond if you float the bottom on stone and backfill with really coarse riversand.

My ponds were done, finished and with fish in for around R0.50c per liter of water ... a far cry from figures quoted by others.

For those that do not have swimming pools and have to choose between that and a pond. By disciplining the swimmers and not allowing diving, bombing and splashing .... swimming amongst your fish is fine, just dont add stuff to their water Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Rhenosterkop Koiponds ... I have a vision   Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:06 am

One year ago ... on this day I placed 94 little kois in my ponds Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Rhenosterkop Koiponds ... I have a vision   Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:24 pm

They really want to eat Smile


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PostSubject: Re: Rhenosterkop Koiponds ... I have a vision   Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:20 am

Baie mooi, dis mos waaroor alles gaan.

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PostSubject: Re: Rhenosterkop Koiponds ... I have a vision   Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:28 am

Looks very healthy and a good variety of colours.

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